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#1 OFFLINE   CelticMonster

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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 06:19 PM

Just saw on a local state gun forum that the ATF deemed 80% build parties with the use of a CNC mill illegal. Don't know how true this is yet because the only sources I am finding are at gun forums, but I'm now at a loss of what to do.


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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 06:22 PM

Not sure were or who, but I have heard of places where you can rent or buy them.

 

Maybe go back to where you bought it an ask them for info.




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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 06:28 PM

I'm going to have to since they never answer their damn phones or emails.




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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 07:06 PM

Just saw on a local state gun forum that the ATF deemed 80% build parties with the use of a CNC mill illegal. Don't know how true this is yet because the only sources I am finding are at gun forums, but I'm now at a loss of what to do.

 

Just don't invite them to the party.  Everyone knows that a BYOL affair is not a party. It is a work day.

 

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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 07:10 PM

Well, the ATF was always pretty clear that you couldn't have any help finishing an 80%. I would assume said party would be in violation of their Horsecrap, unconstitutional code.




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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 07:12 PM

From what I've heard, it was deemed illegal because the CNC machine is pre-programmed to do the work, so even if the owner of an 80% lower put the product in and pressed start, it was the machine making it. Given, that same idiotic logic can be said about a drill press or any tool besides skin and bone to mill one of these out.


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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 07:16 PM

So if a guy had the CNC program written by someone else he couldn't use it as that would be  outside "help". Right?

 

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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 07:18 PM

So if a guy had the CNC program written by someone else he couldn't use it as that would be  outside "help". Right?

 

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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 10:38 PM

So what if you learned the steps to program the CNC yourself?  Basically you are following the diagram on the spec sheet you receive with a 80% lower when milling it.




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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 10:50 PM

So if a guy had the CNC program written by someone else he couldn't use it as that would be  outside "help". Right?

 

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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 10:51 PM

Sounds like caca to me. It's not likely the CNC machine is the issue but who is doing the work as the issue.

 

I have a jig and a drill press. I want to do my own work so there ATF. Bite me!




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Posted Apr. 30 2013 - 11:11 PM

The ATF sent a letter to 80% firearms or Ares Armor attorneys advising the ATF position on build parties are NOT legal.  Most business's offering rental time on their cnc machine to finish your 80% is frown upon by the ATF.  All that means is that you will need to use a decent mil and a jig to complete your 80%.


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Posted May. 01 2013 - 12:11 AM

Also, I'm just waiting for the 80% and 0% forgings to come back to sensible pricing or in the case of 0% to become yet again available.




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Posted May. 01 2013 - 12:28 AM

The KEARMS is $189 and it is from a billet. Sounds kind of cheap to own a billet receiver. If you buy in quantity it goes down to $169.00




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Posted May. 01 2013 - 12:36 AM

I'm still going to keep my lowers (since I engraved my own serial number on the part where the pistol grip screws on), just need to figure out how to complete them now.


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Posted May. 01 2013 - 05:29 PM

Just spoke with Ares Armor ealier today and apparently ALL shops around California using a CNC have had their build parties/ appointments shut down until further notice. So, now I have 3 serialized 80% lowers that are unable to be returned and no way to mill them out. Even jigs (which are more expensive than the receivers themselves) are back ordered, and if I had one, I still do not have access to a drill press or mini mill. As of now I am currently lost and screwed.




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Posted May. 01 2013 - 05:35 PM

Just spoke with Ares Armor ealier today and apparently ALL shops around California using a CNC have had their build parties/ appointments shut down until further notice. So, now I have 3 serialized 80% lowers that are unable to be returned and no way to mill them out. Even jigs (which are more expensive than the receivers themselves) are back ordered, and if I had one, I still do not have access to a drill press or mini mill. As of now I am currently lost and screwed.

 

Brother you are not screwed.  You can buy the jig from 80% firearms.  You can buy a used mill on CL for $200.  Some have used a drill press to complete the process too.  PM me I may have access to a decent mil you can use.   Also there is a glut of 80% retail and private sellers and with CA market dried up on access to CNC machines I'm already seeing some decent sales on 80%.  Hopefully back when I first started forged 80% were going for $60 a pop.


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