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#1 ONLINE   Flesh Wound

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Posted Aug. 11 2017 - 11:05 AM

Tom Givens of Rangemaster Training posted this to his Yahoo Group today:


Memphis Homicides So Far in 2017


I just went through a detailed report on the homicides reported in my old stomping grounds in Memphis. From January 1, 2017, until August 9, 2017, there were a total of 122 homicides in the city. None of these involved police action, but 2 were ruled justifiable homicides by private citizens.


In these cases, the weapons used were guns in 98 cases; knives in 9 cases; and other or unknown in 12 cases. Arrests were only made in 42 of the cases, a clearance rate of 34%.  Arrests were most common when the motive listed was “domestic” or “argument”. When the motive was “robbery” or “unknown” there was rarely an arrest made. This reflects the difficulty in solving “stranger” murders, in which the victim and the offender are not known to each other. These are most often street robberies and car-jacking incidents.


The break-down of motives listed was as follows:

Unknown-        91 cases  (usually a robbery or attempted robbery)

Argument-       11 cases

Robbery-         10 cases  (in these the motive was evident)

Domestic-         8  cases

Gang related-   1  case.



Thus, “Robbery” and “Unknown” accounted for 83% of the homicides.  This completely debunks the narrative that most murders are domestics or gang related. They are certainly not. Note that only 1 case was determined to be “gang related”. This shows that by far the greatest threat is from a robbery or unknown (usually turns out to be a robbery or attempted robbery in some form).  These are crimes that are committed in public places, such as convenience stores, shopping centers, and office parking lots. Be vigilant, and carry your gear.



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Posted Aug. 11 2017 - 12:45 PM

Just a couple FYIs. 


Gang related is typically referred to as Gang on Gang crime where Gang plays a major role in the motive.  It doesn't mean all those 91 unsolved robberies or argument cases the criminal didn't belong to a gang.  Unless they got a tattoo, its not like they wear colors or have a club registration.  That's why you see known gang member a lot in coverage.  


80% of the total violent crime in TN is attributed to Memphis.  Other than New Orleans where the criminals prey on tourists, I know of no city in the US that has so much stranger on stranger crime.  Most cities like Chicago, their crime is centralized to say a part of town.  Memphis is one of those cities the criminals commute.   You are hard pressed to get me to go there armed let alone not armed.  Its like going to an African nation during a civil war.  



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Posted Aug. 11 2017 - 06:40 PM

Tom Givens of Rangemaster Training posted this to his Yahoo Group today:



As Mr. Givens has said multiple times as well as in the class I took with him: "carry your damn gun!"


I have no idea if this is the case in Memphis, but many City Governments put a lot of pressure on not having deaths or violent crime in general attributed to gang activity.

The City leaders, the BBB, the Chamber of Commerce, and the Tourism Bureau, get apoplectic

when their City is tagged as having a "gang problem."

I have seen it with my own eyes.


One gang related homicide in Memphis, TN as of early August 2017 ?  

I call BS.


What are they doing, dragging the bodies over the boundary into East Memphis ? 


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Posted Aug. 13 2017 - 02:39 AM

lies and more lies in Memphis




Our local city just had a gun buyback program on the 11th...homicides are still happening.

Edited by gshayd, Aug. 13 2017 - 02:40 AM.


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