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#1 OFFLINE   gshayd

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Posted Aug. 13 2017 - 03:38 AM

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Posted Aug. 14 2017 - 12:07 PM

Shot placement and penetration are key.  Handguns are all about compromise of power for portability. 

 

I've seen this video before and it is pretty good, and I like it partly because it is by a Doc over in Seattle at the major trauma center (Harborview) near where I live. 

 

I think some of the key points were made near the 13 minute(ish) point where he talks about people not being knocked down by handguns, and many patients showing up walking, talking and still being quite functional.  It's kind of refreshing to hear a Surgeon explain why a cop may shoot someone multiple times with a handgun is because they just may not take notice and stop what they are doing until they are hit multiple times.  Also, the points where he talks about penetration of skin being equal to about 4" of other tissue (I think around the 20 or 21 minute mark)  and also where he talks about body dynamic in a gunfight changing angles of entry is pretty enlightening as to why the FBI insists on 12-18" of penetration in gel.  You get an arm in front of the chest and you are penetrating three layers of skin potentially along with muscle bone and any clothing.  (The  .40 caliber bullets on x-ray being stopped inside the chest cavity at the posterior chest wall and then the other bullet only making it about 2" past the sternum and stopping short of the aorta indicates why even shot placement alone may not get it done if the bullet can't get efficiently through enough tissue.

 

I like to point back to this video when folks begin caliber debates.  I had heard someone in a gun shop saying something to the effect that they would prefer to have a .45 ACP instead of going into combat with a "Puny 5.56 round".  I don't think these folks understand physics or physiology.

 

Thanks for posting this up again.  For those who haven't watched it, it can be a bit hard and maybe unnecessary to watch the stuff past the 21 minute mark because it is mostly about pre-hospital trauma care and OR interventions with fluid replacement and some anesthesia tricks to controlling BP to reduce bleeding. 




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Posted Aug. 14 2017 - 03:27 PM

This is the Doc I like, Gary K. Roberts, LCDR, USNR he is the #1 ballistics expert in American and more than possible the world......

 

https://ndiastorage....ntl/Roberts.pdf




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Posted Aug. 14 2017 - 03:34 PM

This is the Doc I like, Gary K. Roberts, LCDR, USNR he is the #1 ballistics expert in American and more than possible the world......

 

https://ndiastorage....ntl/Roberts.pdf

 

Yep, a great resource on documenting performance of just about every small arms round out there. 




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Posted Aug. 14 2017 - 03:38 PM

This is a good video.  I posted it here several years ago. Thanks for posting again.




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Posted Aug. 14 2017 - 03:47 PM

 

Yep, a great resource on documenting performance of just about every small arms round out there. 

 

 

There was about 4 or 5 video segments up he was in talking about ballistics, wounding and everything he has seen and delt with, but was on youtube and a few audio chanels and now I cant find it.

 

He keeps most of his stuff up to date https://pistol-forum...p?19-Ammunitionand a couple other hard core SME's are there, great resource for ammo selection...about the best you will ever find.




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Posted Aug. 14 2017 - 04:49 PM

I don't want to get shot by anything even a .22LR




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Posted Aug. 14 2017 - 05:14 PM

I have a hard tine getting shots from a nurse.....

 

I don't want to get shot by anything even a .22LR




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Posted Aug. 14 2017 - 09:28 PM

I have a scar on the side of my left thigh from a .22. I was shot in 74 during a race riot at my high school. A few of us were about a block away when a car load of them drove by and started shooting. It was a 22 revolver, the best we could tell. We were probably 30-35 yards away.
The police questioned me at the hospital and again at home, my parents were very proud of me, NOT. But during that time no white kids were at school for probably 2 weeks. The cops cruised around around with 4 to a car, known as the big four and TMU were at the school (Tactical Mobil units )
Within 6 months we moved to the suburbs. I remember the shot and it hurting like hell, getting shot with anything sux. I'm lucky it wasn't higher up and a larger caliber.

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Posted Aug. 14 2017 - 09:47 PM

Can I hide behind you :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

 

I have a scar on the side of my left thigh from a .22. I was shot in 74 during a race riot at my high school. A few of us were about a block away when a car load of them drove by and started shooting. It was a 22 revolver, the best we could tell. We were probably 30-35 yards away.
The police questioned me at the hospital and again at home, my parents were very proud of me, NOT. But during that time no white kids were at school for probably 2 weeks. The cops cruised around around with 4 to a car, known as the big four and TMU were at the school (Tactical Mobil units )
Within 6 months we moved to the suburbs. I remember the shot and it hurting like hell, getting shot with anything sux. I'm lucky it wasn't higher up and a larger caliber.




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Posted Aug. 14 2017 - 09:53 PM

Can I hide behind you :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

Lol, why not Raymond did, that little chicken shat.





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