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#1 OFFLINE   wshoemaker757

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Posted Apr. 22 2018 - 02:35 PM

Since I spend 99% of my life at work. I was wondering if anyone has heard of anybody making a push for a gun law in PA to prohibit employers from firing you for having a gun in your vehicle. I have at least my Judge in the truck at all times when I'm at work. But if I were to be searched, at the very least I would be asked to leave. Ultimately my company has the right to fire me. I've spent 7 years trying to get in where I am and I will feel very upset if I were to get fired for taking precautionary steps to protect life.

Oklahoma has a law that says an employer may not allow guns on work property, but they can not do anything about it if the gun is in a locked vehicle in the parking lot.

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Posted Apr. 22 2018 - 02:41 PM

That protection would be a good thing. I have 2 employees that carry, plus myself. I couldn’t feel safer...


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Posted Apr. 22 2018 - 02:47 PM

Since I spend 99% of my life at work. I was wondering if anyone has heard of anybody making a push for a gun law in PA to prohibit employers from firing you for having a gun in your vehicle. I have at least my Judge in the truck at all times when I'm at work. But if I were to be searched, at the very least I would be asked to leave. Ultimately my company has the right to fire me. I've spent 7 years trying to get in where I am and I will feel very upset if I were to get fired for taking precautionary steps to protect life.

Oklahoma has a law that says an employer may not allow guns on work property, but they can not do anything about it if the gun is in a locked vehicle in the parking lot.

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Texas has some protections for firearms owners and employer facilities too.

 

What I'd suggest is you join PAFOA and help or begin a push through them for those changes.




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Posted Apr. 22 2018 - 04:27 PM

Good question, I've been trying to research PA's laws myself as we are going home to Pittsburg this summer & possibly make a Hajj to the Cheese Steak mecca of the world :D: :D: :tiphat: :tiphat: :tiphat:


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Posted Apr. 22 2018 - 04:47 PM

For a good look at PA gun laws try here:

 

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

 

Click on the state you are interested in.




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Posted Apr. 22 2018 - 07:36 PM

Problem is it only covers some laws, I'm looking at a Mossberg 590 Shockwave as a traveling companion & the laws around such a "firearm" are a rel pain in the ass to figure out :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

Otherwise I'll just throw the 300blackout AR pistol into a bag and carry that everywhere.....however, the magazine restrictions are what's bugging me if we go to DC and area......and what's driving getting a revolver to try and stay legal crossing so many state lines....

 

 

For a good look at PA gun laws try here:

 

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

 

Click on the state you are interested in.




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Posted Apr. 23 2018 - 08:55 AM

Illinois protects gunowners rights to have their firearms in their vehicle,

but the case was decided on the basis of concealed carry holders. 

Not sure if it applies to those who do not have CCW permits.

 

The Court ruled that the employer wa effectively denying their employee's right to 

exercise their right to bear arms by not allowing them to store the weapon in a vehicle 

while they work.

 

An unintended consequence of these laws, (and any place that is a gun free zone) is that 

criminals are targeting parked vehicles to burglarize in order to steal weapons.

 

Besides having a safe, this is one reason I strongly recommend not to put any gun related stickers on your vehicle. 

Even the bad guys can figure that out if your car festooned with "I'm the NRA" is parked at a mall that

is a "gun free" zone. I would even stay away from hunting related stuff, but then again, I put no stickers

on my cars. 




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Posted Apr. 23 2018 - 08:48 PM

Honestly it's up to your employer in PA. I have had my vehicle searched about 3 dozen times. Every time there was a handgun in the car. And everytime it was a non issue.
Also in pa I believe, not 100% sure,you cant have a loaded long gun in the vehicle. As far as a law protecting you, I haven't found anything like that on any of the numerous searches I have done.


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Posted May. 06 2018 - 07:21 PM

Honestly it's up to your employer in PA. I have had my vehicle searched about 3 dozen times. Every time there was a handgun in the car. And everytime it was a non issue.
Also in pa I believe, not 100% sure,you cant have a loaded long gun in the vehicle. As far as a law protecting you, I haven't found anything like that on any of the numerous searches I have done.

It IS up to the employer.Georgia Pacific has a company wide policy of no firearms on company property. Your car can be searched.Employees WILL be terminate. Visitors will be escorted off the property. Long guns can be loaded in a vehicle with a licence to carry firearms.( pa's ccw)


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Posted May. 07 2018 - 07:37 AM

All I can tell you is unless your company has a well defined written policy and employees are made aware of it, its problematic in any state because a car is considered private property no matter where its parked.  




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Posted May. 07 2018 - 11:38 AM

 Long guns can be loaded in a vehicle with a licence to carry firearms.( pa's ccw)

I didn't know that.  Do you have a refererence for this?




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Posted May. 08 2018 - 01:39 AM

It IS up to the employer.Georgia Pacific has a company wide policy of no firearms on company property. Your car can be searched.Employees WILL be terminate. Visitors will be escorted off the property. Long guns can be loaded in a vehicle with a licence to carry firearms.( pa's ccw)


Same with NRG, First Energy, and all the other plants I work at. But like I said it was a non issue.


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Posted May. 08 2018 - 01:43 AM

Long guns can be loaded in a vehicle with a licence to carry firearms.( pa's ccw)

https://www.pennlago...roceed-caution/
Unless the law has changed in the past 3 years, no you cant.


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Posted May. 08 2018 - 05:16 AM

Honestly it's up to your employer in PA. I have had my vehicle searched about 3 dozen times. Every time there was a handgun in the car. And everytime it was a non issue.
Also in pa I believe, not 100% sure,you cant have a loaded long gun in the vehicle. As far as a law protecting you, I haven't found anything like that on any of the numerous searches I have done.

 

What is the rationale behind an employer repeatedly searching their employees vehicles ? 

 

They are searching for guns but guns are a non-issue?

I don't get it.

 

Thanks.


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Posted May. 08 2018 - 11:50 AM

If search of your vehicle is a condition of employment, its another one of those amazing how many rights you can sign away. 

 

Do have a good story for you all though.

 

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Before my company was bought out by the English, we were a typical TN company, an extended family where everyone brought their new guns to work and showed them off.  They replaced much of upper management with people up north.  One day, a wino broke into an employees car and went to sleep in the parking lot.  When the car was searched, they found the employees gun.  The new staff was shocked and the lady HR Director suggested they fire the employee in a staff meeting.  Tj spoke up.

 

"Big problem with that.  First we have no written gun policy, second the reason why that lot is a pass through is its technically not ours but the cities and we just lease the parking, and lastly he's in the union and this will cost us through the nose."  The GM an ex-GE butthole from NY, over ruled me and told the HR director to fire the man. 

 

Three months later, the employee is back at work after a three months paid vacation including over time he lost, he was reimbursed for Cobra payments, legal expenses, lost 401K contributions, and we were out around $25K in our own legal expenses.  Talk about old Tj having to sit in that meeting and hold his hand over his mouth to keep from saying "I told you so."

 

A year later, the butthole GM was fired for a bunch of reasons too long to list.  Ironically for about three years after that he would call me from time to time and every time he'd tell me "You were the only person on my staff with enough balls to tell me the truth" and I'd say something in return like "You had them so terrified of you I think if you told them to shat and fall back in it, they'd kill each other to see who's first."

 

He was one of the guys btw that had me convinced there was this club of high paid buttholes in the US that keep hiring their own to screw companies up like they had a secret handshake or something."  I'd never met anyone who made over $300,000 a year so damn dumb.

 

They hired another loser sent to destroy the company a few years later and when he told me their big plan was destroy the company so they could declare bankruptcy to kill the union, I got to say "You can take this job and shove it."  I wanted no part in destroying what it took most of my life to build up and got tired of standing between them and that company.  Its not like a damn one of those I fought for gave a damn I almost died fighting for their jobs anyway.  To this day, I tell people there was a time companies had Personnel Departments but now we all have Resource Departments and we're a resource like a lump of coal to be burned up and discarded.  

 

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Posted May. 08 2018 - 03:41 PM

What is the rationale behind an employer repeatedly searching their employees vehicles ? 
 
They are searching for guns but guns are a non-issue?
I don't get it.
 
Thanks.

They are looking for drugs, stolen plant property, stolen contractor property,and shat to make a bomb. Once you tell them hey I have a concealed carry permit all they do is look and dont touch type of thing.
If they wanted they could put my ass in a sling. The guns could be an issue as they are prohibited from being on plant property. It just wasn't enforced. And I was told would not be as long as you were licensed and legal.
But they are also denying me the right to protect myself as I drive an hour and a half to and from work. And being as there are only so many hours in the day, I have to run errands while I'm on my way home.


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Posted May. 08 2018 - 03:45 PM

Also there are places where an empty piece of brass will get you fired. I chose not to push the limits in certain places.


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Posted May. 08 2018 - 06:19 PM

They are looking for drugs, stolen plant property, stolen contractor property,and shat to make a bomb. Once you tell them hey I have a concealed carry permit all they do is look and dont touch type of thing.
If they wanted they could put my ass in a sling. The guns could be an issue as they are prohibited from being on plant property. It just wasn't enforced. And I was told would not be as long as you were licensed and legal.
But they are also denying me the right to protect myself as I drive an hour and a half to and from work. And being as there are only so many hours in the day, I have to run errands while I'm on my way home.

 

Thanks for explaining.

I appreciate it.




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Posted May. 11 2018 - 06:15 PM

To this day, I tell people there was a time companies had Personnel Departments but now we all have Resource Departments and we're a resource like a lump of coal to be burned up and discarded. 

I remember when the Personnel Department changed to the Human Resources Department.

I used to tell people about this as well.

Resources to be used up and thrown away.  Disgraceful.




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Posted May. 12 2018 - 03:56 AM

https://www.pennlago...roceed-caution/
Unless the law has changed in the past 3 years, no you cant.

https://www.pennlago...roceed-caution/
Unless the law has changed in the past 3 years, no you cant.

You are right. "pennsylvania laws relating to firearms" distributed by the67th legilative district states (refering to 6106.1) "The provisions of this section shall not apply to persons excepted "BY" the requirement of a liscence to carry firearms. Should have said Excepted "FROM" the requirement of a LTC. It was a misprint and was revised 3/03/17. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Glad I didnt get bit in the arse.





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