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#1 OFFLINE   JAYTEAM

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Posted Nov. 26 2005 - 11:11 PM

I handled one today at the gun show when I was at a table with Swingset. I was suprised about how well it fit my hand. I have always talked myself out of a G21 because they were too big to fit comfortably in my hand. I am thinking a 13+1 1911 would make an excellent night stand gun with the addition of night sights.

Does anybody have any experience with these?

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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 01:46 AM

Of the wide body 1911's, I've only played with Para's. I didn't like the feel, personally. The last one I shot belonged to hkriflenut, and while it was a solid, accurate, reliable pistol, it really didn't feel right to me.


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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 02:51 AM

The widebody's fit my hand WAY better than single stack guns. I got big paws though. If you go that route, be prepared to shill out lots of dough for magazines... $50 a piece ain't cheap. If you DO get one - get Para Ord's mags - they're the same design as Springfield's - only you get 14 rounds per mag vs 13. They cost about $5 more than Springfield's mags...

You would probably be better off getting a Para Ordnance than the springfield - as I think the para's run ya less out of pocket. Mine was rock fuzzing solid, ate everything and begged for more. Funny - my gun didn't choke at all...Pepper's shiney bling bling duty gun choked every other round when we shot last time. The finish on the Para was unbelievable too - slide NEVER rusted. I went fishin' lots with it, hiking, camping - beat the living fuzz out of that gun. No scratches, no rust. Nothing. Para's finish truely impressed the hell out of me. Mine was an alloy frame, if that makes a difference. I've always had good luck with alloy framed guns for some reason :)


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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 04:11 AM

I would avoid Para's pistols.

I've experienced one myself which was REALLY bad.

A shooting buddy of mine's Para decided launch the first inch of the slide downrange while firing. Yep...the slide broke off. The metal looked like honeycomb.

The gunsmith at a local shop actually told me NOT to buy the used P13 they had in the case. It'd been reworked by Cylinder and Slide, but the gun wouldn't shoot 6" groups at 50 feet to save itself. This was verified by me when I rented the gun and by the former SEAL who sold guns there part time.

Besides, Para's are made in canada. Why give money to the wanna-be-froggy's?

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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 09:51 AM

You can find the Wide Body Springfields around here for between $400 and $450. I know I will have to get night sights put on it, but $500 for a double stack 1911 doesn't sound too bad to me.

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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 09:54 AM

SV and STI are prob the best out there. Pricey, but the best.


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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 09:58 AM

BTW the 14 round para mags are IMHO the best mags on the market for an 1911 double stacked gun. FYI they also have 20 round para factory if you want to up[ the round count in spare mags. :smile: I have had an double stacked para before and the only thing done to improve it was to polish the feed ramp to get it to reliably feed hydrashocks but that was the only round it didn't chamber all the time.


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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 10:12 AM

BTW the 14 round para mags are IMHO the best mags on the market for an 1911 double stacked gun. FYI they also have 20 round para factory if you want to up[ the round count in spare mags. :smile: I have had an double stacked para before and the only thing done to improve it was to polish the feed ramp to get it to reliably feed hydrashocks but that was the only round it didn't chamber all the time.



Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. I may use the mag info someday, but I am a loyal Springfield customer. I don't think they can be beat for the $$$ and I don't want to invest Para kind of money in this project.

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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 11:45 AM

I wonder exactly how much thicker the wide-body frame is than the single-stack guns. Anyone have one and a micrometer?


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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 01:59 PM

The thickness is actually similar with standard grips on a single stack gun.

They feel quite different, however.

They conceal differently, too.

I'm not much into widebody 1911's. The Para I owned really soured me on them.

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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 02:11 PM

The thickness is actually similar with standard grips on a single stack gun.



I know that it felt a lot smaller than a G21 in my hand. Maybe it was because the trigger reach was shorter.

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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 02:15 PM

The G21 is it's own gun. I have a hard time comparing Glocks and 1911's because they are different tools (although they both serve the same purpose).

The 1911's feel is just different. The safeties (thumb and grip), change the profile of the gun and it's feel in the hand. 1911's have "stuff". Glocks are flat.

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Posted Nov. 27 2005 - 02:17 PM

Maybe it was because the trigger reach was shorter.

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Do you think I'm onto something there?

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Posted Nov. 28 2005 - 01:55 AM

If you can find the widebody Springfields under $600 - jump on em. I just haven't seen them very inexpensively in these parts. Used Paras run around $500. Still cheaper than used Sigs, Kimbers, Colts...

Definately have to say the magazines were some high quality parts. They droped from the gun easily loaded or unloaded, they were super easy to load, and fed completely reliably. I like 14 rounds of .45 in my mags too. And as for thickness - it wasn't really any wider than a single stack w/ standard grips. The way Para got around that, at least, was to use a thinner grip panel. To me, the widebody guns feel a lot better in the hand - I think because of the actual shape of the grips being a little less drastically curved than a normal 1911. I had a medium-length trigger in my gun. It had ambi safety and a King drop in beavertail. I really liked that gun. I just have a hard time coughing up $50 per magazine. XD, Glock, CZ, and single-stack 1911 mags cost half that or less...


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Posted Nov. 28 2005 - 03:28 PM

JAYTEAM, where do you live in ohio ? I live in sw ohio { blanchester } I have a PARA P 12 in 45 acp that you can try if you like, it has a 3.5 inch barrel and the para mags hold 12 rounds. I did not think much about the double stack guns but after shooting my P 12 my opinion changed real quick, yes its a shooter not a safe queen. You can email me { Hoerthbound@tds.net }


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Posted Nov. 28 2005 - 06:31 PM

I live in central Ohio.

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