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  1. WaterTech

    Design the Perfect 10mm Pistol...

    Upgrade the S&W 10*6 series to a long slide w/6in. barrel and 15 rnd mag with additional 9X25 and 357Sig conversion barrels.
  2. WaterTech

    1006 Barrel

    I couldn't find the original thread. Just wanted to thank the person who found the 1006 barrels at Midway. I just ordered one and they are available. I've been looking for one for a while. Many thanks.
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    Another new member

    Just finished putting three clips of ammo through the new G20 at the local indoor range. The barrel is a ported EKF w/24#spring and s/s guide rod. All I can say is this is an impressive machine. It has a preference for Speer GDHP. Todays menu was 180gr GDHPs (13.5 gr of AA#9) and Sierra 135gr HPs (16.5 gr of AA#9). I kept the loads reasonble for the first 45 rounds just to get a feel for the weapon. Recoil was respectable but very managable. The Speer bullets grouped low and to the right while the Sierra bullets grouped low and to the left. Had few issues with the 135 grainers jamming on the feed. Had the same issue with my S&W 1006 not liking truncated cone HPs. The pistol feels nicely balanced and racked through the Speer bullets flawlessly. I'll be ordering some Speer 155 grainers and upping the pressure. Love the ported barrel. A recoil buffer might also be a nice to have so that will be on the next order too. Looks like I'll be feeding the rest of the 135 gr Sierras to my Contender. Found the 10mm barrel on sale for it several years ago. It was on sale and I thought the 10" barrel would make the 10mm a nice companion. Should make a mess of 1 gal water jugs. Anyway after the first three clip I'm impressed with the performance. Still have to put the 9X25 ammo through it. Can't wait.
  4. WaterTech

    Another new member

    Most of the pros and cons for the 10mm have been covered by the others that replied. Like you I'm new to the group but I've been a 10mm fan since I bought my 1006 in the early 90's. I just purchased a G20, ordered a set of springs (20,22, and 24lb) and stainless guide rod. I haven't had it to the range yet but I'll give you a review as soon as I get a couple of clips through it. The feel of the grip is great even though I have medium sized hands. I reload to keep the cost of ammo down. I shopped around for another 10 and settled on the G20 mostly for cost but also for the ability to get conversion barrels in several calibers. Lonewolf and EKF Firedragon are just a couple of the aftermarket barrel vendors. Anyway, that's my two cents. Have fun and keep 'em in the 10 ring.
  5. Never stop being a thinker or having an opinion. That's how great ideas happen. (And never give up that Beretta either, that's a sweet machine.) I enjoy tossing issues back and forth between people that aren't shy about solving problems. I did some digging and found out that the military won't even consider a comped pistol but not for the reason of muzzle flash since all powder driven weapons produce it. The front end of an uncomped pistol only blocks about 25% of the flash so there had to be more to it. The first being the ports in the barrel can pick up debris which, if in the barrel when fired, can result in catastrophic failure of the firearm, ie injury and death of the individual shooting it. The second is the powder residue which coats the front sight in only a few of shots. No visible front sight at night, no sight picture. Big problem there too. If the top of the barrel and slide are slotted to vent gasses debris can also get in and jam the slide. Not good in a gritty environment. An extended and ported barrel is not as bad but still can have the debris issue. The 10mm is also a straight wall case which has occasionally given shooters feed jams until the gun owner finds a pet load. By the time a manufacturer completed the years of testing and proving of the weapon it could be obsolete and replaced by one of the newer high energy bottle necked rounds (357Sig). To qualify for military service the Beretta had to shoot a phenomenal amount of ammunition without a single feed jam. I think it was something in excess of 12,000 rounds to prove battlfield reliability. I can't think of many pistols that can match that. The military feels shot placement and reliability trump 600+ ft lbs of muzzle energy if a weapon jams once every couple of hundred rounds. The 9mm and the 45ACP both have a slight case taper making them easier to feed and have a much higher reliability track record. I wouldn't worry too much about not being able to directly serve in the military. You can do as much good here helping others answer the questions they have to defend their homes and themselves. The right to keep and bear arms must live on. My home defense weapon is the 45ACP because of it's reliability. It's still better than my 10mil on reliability and will knock down anything on two legs. Then again there's always the venerable 12 gauge for the house too. For those out there that shoot Glocks there is a company (ccraceframes) that has stainless and titanium frames for the 9mm, 40 cal, 357 Sig, and 45 GAP. No more cracked frames. Take care of your diabetes as well as you can. They call it the silent killer for a reason. I nearly lost a friend a few years ago to a heart attack because he wouldn't take care of his blood sugar. He's on track now but it took nearly dying to convince him to make a change, do what was necesary, and lost nearly 70 lbs.
  6. Muzzle flash is still muzzle flash whether coming from a compensated weapon or the end of a barrel. Both are still fired at arms lenth. Muzzle flash from an uncompensated barrel still exits in a circular pattern for several inches around the muzzle temporarily blinding the shooter if the weapon is fired in a darkened area, with or without NV. If you've ever fired an uncompensated pistol in the dark, you know it still takes a few seconds to recover from the flash. Blind in combat even for a few seconds is a bad idea. In the published videos I've seen of night exercises in Iraq the night vision equipment is attached to the weapon and not worn by the infantry. Probably due to peripheral vision restriction. It wouldn't do to have only half of your eyesight in combat. The real trick is to increase firepower in a sidearm, reduce the muzzle flash, and still manage the recoil. I believe most of the issue with getting a better sidearm to the troops is within the politics of change rather than simply giving a better weapon to those who have to risk their lives defending those who sit at home in comfort debating the issue. It might help to actually hear from someone who has fought at night in Iraq or Afghanistan in the past and get an informed opinion. Whether the troops get the 45ACP back, upgrade to 40 cal or 10mm, or stay with the 9mm will probably hinge on who stands to win or lose the most cash from the arms contract to produce it. Why not rework the 357Mag into a rimmless cartridge and get a proven manstopper that won't be debated for firepower?
  7. The side arm is rarely used at night for that very reason, comped or not. Too much muzzle flash. Night work is done mostly with the standard issue rifle for it stopping power. The flash hider on it is more of a dispersal but still produces enough flash to monkey with NV. Low flash ammo is the order when stealth ops are needed at night and night vision is used. I believe most NV is now compensated for flash. The enemy has guns too.
  8. WaterTech

    10mm Ammo

    I would go down on spring tension in small increments of one or two pounds at a time. I used to use 180 gr Speer GDHP in front of 8.5 gr of Blue dot in my SW1006 until I discovered Accurate powders. I'm assuming you aren't reloading. The Double Tap ammo can be a bit hot for some. Since you are competing, the lower recoil ammo gets you back on target quicker. I haven't searched for lower power target ammo at Double Tap but it might be worth a look. Should you decide to reload, start low in the power spectrum and work your way up until the slide cycles correctly.
  9. Good luck with the new G20. I just got mine and haven't even taken it to the range yet. I used a S&W 1006 for years but it was finicky on ammo. Wouldn't shoot truncated cone bullets without a feed jam every third round. I just racked a clip of 180gr HPs through the new G20 with the slide without issue. I purchased an EKF 10mm ported barrel for better recoil control and a Lonewolf 9x25 for some variety. Also picked up a new set of 20, 22, and 24 lb springs and S/S guide rod. I've reloaded for years and I'm looking forward to playing with the new toys.
  10. Just buy the G20C, add a safety, and stop the sniveling. Better yet, convert to the 9x25!!!!
  11. WaterTech

    10mm Ammo

    Popularity drives any market. Right now the 357 Sig is a hotter item. 10mm is the superior cartridge but wasn't marketed well enough. Only a few of the balistically aware appreciate it. DoubleTap.com carries several flavors of the 10mm. They also have brass if you are into reloading. Midway also carries brass and bullets. I've had the best performance from 10mm topped off with Speer Gold Dot HPs. Truncated cone bullets tend to have occasional problems with feed jams.
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    Military Weapons

    How about the 10mm mag (1.255" case) necked to 9mm for a little extra muzzle energy over the 9x25. It would take care of the short neck issue on the 9x25, add case capacity, and, if pumped out a 10" bbl, add another couple hundred fps. Smokin'!!!