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  1. A safe door will be at the cheapest around $1500 and that anchored in to the concrete door jamb should stop most if not all theft because the rooms front wall is what would normally be the basement wall. So picture a door way in your basement wall and then you enter my 5X8 room which is totally concrete top and bottom. I will have to look in to maybe a top and bottom dead bolt and maybe some sort of steel bolted around the interior of the door or something... will see. The main thing is my kids cant get in there and its no million dollar collection by any means only about 8 guns plus the wifes home all the time and shes a good shot. I have lots of room to grow this way of course they say s**t in one hand, want in the other and see what one fills up first...
  2. Just a 20 min fire rated steel jacketed door like someone would have in there garage going in to the house. Then I'll have a dead bolt for the lock, thats about as secure as its going to be for now.
  3. I found some people using slat wall which is a more commonly used in store displays. Theres a couple pics if you scroll down in the link below. Only problem is the slat wall is pricey which unless I find a cheap source will probably just use pegboard and maybe screw some slats behind it so its good and sturdy. http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1427237
  4. Well I dont have enough guns to fill it... yet but at least I'll have plenty of room to hide them from the wife. It wasnt a bad price either about $1500 increase in the cost of adding it to the basement when they were pouring the walls I figured thats a cheap gun safe.
  5. I have about a 5 X 8 area with concrete walls and cieling that I am putting the highest rated fire door I can find on it for now, Later I want to put an actual safe door on it but no funds right now. Any way looking for pics of rooms that some of you guys may have that are similar. I cant decide if I want to peg board a whole wall and hang them on that or cut out a bunch of U shapes on some boards and stand them up in those. Also will have some shelving for ammo and pistols. Just looking for some ideas for it.
  6. Whats the latest cost for reloading .223 ir 5.56 ea.?
  7. Well yeah thats what I mean buy ammo right? Im just wondering what this guy could have possibly wrote a book about.
  8. So I was on gunbroker and saw this link for how to build a 10k bullet stock pile. I dont feel like buying it because Im not even sure what its about but was curious if any of you guys heard of this and know what its all about. Edit Tj, Way bad link with redirects and embedded programs.
  9. If this were a pro gun advocate threatening an anti gun group this would be all over the news. I can hear it already "you see the crazy gun people just want to kill people"
  10. I think we need a shat list stickie, for reference when voting time comes for all the commies to go on to make sure we know there stance on our 2nd
  11. I knew he was a commy but when you get a letter like that it just pisses you off even though I was half expecting something like that. Hes been in office for atleast 30 years.
  12. ... Do not vote for him that is. Here is a letter I recieved from him after emailing him my concerns about the gun grab. Dear Mr. XXXXXX: Thank you for contacting me about gun safety issues. I appreciate you sharing your views with me. I support sensible gun safety laws and strict enforcement of those laws to help prevent crimes, suicides and violence committed with firearms. I support the steps President Obama outlined recently to curb the gun violence that plagues our nation, and I believe Congress can and should work to enact legislation to prevent gun violence without infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens. I was an original cosponsor of the Brady Law (P.L.103-159). This law requires prospective handgun purchasers to undergo criminal background checks before purchasing a firearm from a licensed dealer. The background check system is able to make 92 percent of background check determinations on the spot, and since 1994, has prevented more than 1.5 million firearm purchases. Additionally, according to Centers for Disease Control statistics, since the Brady Law went into effect, the number of gun deaths in the United States dropped 22 percent, from 39,595 in 1993 to 30,769 in 2007. The number of gun homicides dropped by more than 29 percent, from 17,024 in 1993 to 12,129 in 2007. While the Brady Law has been successful in reducing gun violence, I believe more has to be done. For example, only 60 percent of all gun sales in the United States take place at licensed federal dealers, where background checks are mandatory. The remaining 40 percent of gun sales are conducted by unlicensed individual sellers, often at gun shows, and a background check is not required. This means that across our nation, any dangerous individual can go to a gun show and purchase a deadly weapon without any form of background check. To close this ‘gun show loophole,’ I am a cosponsor of the Gun Show Background Check Act. This bill would enact the common sense principle that anyone who wants to purchase a firearm at a gun show should be able to pass a simple background check. Ten national police organizations support closing this loophole. Additionally, I am a cosponsor of the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act, a bill that seeks to reduce gun violence by keeping firearms out of the hands of terrorists and criminals. Although hard to believe, nothing in current law prohibits individuals on terrorist watch lists from purchasing firearms, unless they fall into another disqualifying category. This “terror gap” in federal law must be closed, and this bill would do just that. This legislation would deny the transfer of a firearm when a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) background check reveals that the prospective purchaser is a known or suspected terrorist and the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the purchaser may use the firearm in connection with terrorism. Keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists is just common sense. I also have always supported the rights of sportsmen and hunters. Hunting is a way of life for millions of Americans and plays an integral role in modern wildlife management. But military style assault weapons have no sporting purpose. Because of these weapons, our nation’s citizens are in greater danger and police officers across the country are encountering criminals armed with highly lethal military style weapons. To support our law enforcement community and to save lives, I am a cosponsor of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013. This legislation would prevent the future possession, manufacture, sale and importation of assault-type weapons while grandfathering weapons lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment. It would ban firearms with detachable magazines and military style features, such as grenade launchers, protruding pistol grips, and barrel shrouds. It would support law enforcement officers across our nation, who should not be forced to confront lawbreakers toting military arms. And it would protect the rights of hunters by specifically naming thousands of firearms with legitimate sporting, sentimental or other value that would remain legal to possess. This bill also would ban high capacity ammunition magazines. Studies have shown that high capacity ammunition magazines are used in 31 to 41 percent of fatal police shootings in cities across our nation. They also have been used by the perpetrators of numerous mass shootings, including at Columbine High School, Virginia Tech, the Tucson shooting of Representative Gabrielle Giffords and 19 others, the attack on a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, and the horrifying shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. The Newtown shooting alone left twenty six people dead, twenty of them children. We must not wait until more places are added to this heartbreaking list. We can and should act swiftly to protect our families and loved ones from mass shootings. These measures have the overwhelming support of law enforcement communities around our nation, who have implored us to make changes to stop the flood of these types of weapons into the hands of those who would use them for harm. I will continue to work for common-sense gun safety measures. Thank you again for contacting me. Sincerely, Carl Levin levin.senate.gov SPREAD THE WORD OF THIS TO FELLOW VOTERS. THIS MAN WILL BE DONE AS SENATOR BY US SHOWING EVERYONE WE CAN WHAT HE STANDS FOR. CUT AND PASTE THIS LETTER FOR ALL TO SEE.
  13. These poor excuses of senators all sound exactly alike. These people are all out of touch with reality with there cushy lifestyle?
  14. Sorry to hijack guys but I am looking for some input on a letter I will be printing and mailing to my senator. I am not very good at writing so any input will be appreciated. This guy pissed me off and I need to respond even though the likelyhood of him reading it is pretty low Some Background leading to this letter: http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=132583 Dear Mr. Levin Your ideas will do nothing to stop criminals. Criminals BREAK LAWS, you are introducing NEW LAWS, for criminals to break. Murder is illegal, that doesn’t stop a lot of sick people out there. If you want to do something helpful lets deal with the mentally ill people who are carrying out these terrible crimes. Making new laws to restrict law abiding people from owning a modern sporting rifle (What you call an Assault weapon) or owning standard capacity (You say high capacity)30 round magazines are not going to do anything. The fact is your laws are meaningless to people who break them. Therefore you will be punishing millions of responsible gun owners if the policies you support are passed. There are already background checks in place and obviously they do not work. If a criminal wants a gun they will get one legal or illegal it doesn’t matter what policies you try to push on the responsible people. Most gun shows I go to sales people are doing back ground checks. No responsible gun owner wants to sell a gun to a criminal and will see to it that it does not happen. Most guns at the gun shows that are sold without background checks are muskets and other similar weapons. Nowhere in the constitution does it say we have the right to hunt. That was not the purpose our founding fathers had in mind when creating the constitution. Please read the 2nd amendment and point out to me where it mentions hunting and I will retract my statement. The fact is us responsible gun owners enjoy shooting and collecting guns as much as a golfer enjoys his/her hobby. And someone could be killed with a golf club so I hope you plan on banning those to Sir. After banning golf clubs please address the kitchen knives. Because kitchen knives are also very dangerous and a threat to people. My point is, even if you could take every gun off this planet you would still have murders with other weapons such as knives or whatever they choose to use. Please enjoy your last term in congress because I will see to it that gun owners everywhere within my voice know that you stand for stripping us of our rights. I will make an example of you and whoever else stands with you. The people will speak when election times are here. You work for The People and we, are sick of you and the rest of Government trampling on our rights. WE ARE NOT MURDERERS, CRIMINALS ARE, AND UNFORTANATELY WILL CONTINUE TO BE WITH YOUR POLICES.
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