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    AmeriGlo Protector Sights First Impression

    I run a similar Amriglo sight setup on my Px4 Compact. Orange square surrounding the Tritium vial. Pretty fast to pick up.
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    How do you carry?

    I most often carry a Beretta Px4 Compact or a CZ P07. I use a JM Custom kydex AIWB holster wit a neoprene wedge/pad. I have found this to fit the widest variety of clothing for me, require the least manipulation, provide the best access for me while also providing some of the best retention. My draw times are faster than my 4 0clock carry times. Sticking with decocker equipped DA/SA provides some insurance for me and makes the draw to first shot super simple. (Draw, point, shoot)
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    Thoughts On A New Carry Piece

    First handgun I bought after I turned 21 was. Beretta 92FS. I carried it a bit and found it to be a bit large once I moved to warmer climates. I also found a manual safety AND double action to be redundant and slow. I shifted to Glock. Carried a 19 in cooler months and a 26 when weather got warm and wardrobe dictated. Moved back to the Pacific Northwest and found midsize (G19 size) was fairly practical most of the year and could go bigger in winter if I wanted. I began exploring appendix carry and found that I like it a lot with the right holster and pistol combo. Glock triggers offer a bit of safety in having a partly staged striker that has to be fully staged by part of the trigger pull before they release, but I felt better about s full double action for appendix carry and ruled out fully staged striker fired pistols like the PPQ and Sig and CZp10 for any carry role (but that is my personal bias. It may work for others but I equate them to carrying a single action 1911 with no safety in cocked and locked mode.) The Beretta Px4 Storm Compact and CZ P07 have become my favorite carry pistols. Roughly Glock 19 sized. Double action first shot. No manual safety to deactivate as both have been set up with decocker only. Each has a very workable DA trigger pull right under 8lbs and enough travel that accidental/negligent discharges are far less likely. Both are fairly compact, of reasonable weight, still handle like larger pistols than snubby revolvers or pocket pistols. Have 15 round capacity. Polymer frames on each pistol keep me from worrying about as many potential rust issues from carry and weather.
  4. It's been kinda busy for the last several months. I've been working on transitioning out of the Navy after 24 years and finally am starting on the "free time" side of things (though that looks like it will be short lived). Had my retirement ceremony almost two weeks ago and began looking for my next job, and I will be starting one next Monday with an orthotics and prosthetics company. In the middle of all of that I made sure to get one good range session in last week. i chose to take out a couple of comparable pistols and run them side by side. The Beretta Px4 compact became my primary carry gun after breaking it in and setting it up with features I wanted for carry (Wilson 12# hammer Spring, Ameriglo front night sight and blacked out rear, low profile decock levers, low profile slide catch that deletes the right sided lever, and a medium sized mag release button. The low profile levers make it much more carry friendly, as the standard levers make it almost a quarter inch wider overall.) I started logging my round count a bit late, but have 1,850 rounds logged through it now which have been trouble free. When I had decided to look for a compact DA/SA pistol, I was also looking into the CZ P07, but located the Px4 first and had liked the stock trigger pull better on the Px4 as well. But both pistols are about the same size and similar in weight. The Px4 impressed me because it shoots and handles recoil like a larger pistol, but still gives the advantages for carry in reduced size and weight. The P07 trigger out of the box seems to have a kind of stagey feel, but shooting it alongside of the Beretta it seemed to hang right with it in terms of follow up shots and accuracy, natural pointing ability. But as I track the front sight it does seem to have a touch more muzzle rise, but it doesn't seem to negatively impact my ability to shoot it in practical drills. I would say the Px4 overall feels smoother in both form and function. I already stated the trigger pull feels smoother (out of the box even, before installing the lighter hammer spring). Operating the slide takes less effort and the slide serrations are smaller and not as rough. The shape of eh grip and rear of the slide seem to contribute to less printing, when carrying concealed. The down side of all of this smoothness is in the grip texture itself, which is not aggressive and can actually feel kid of slick once it starts raining or I get to sweating. So, I stippled the frame. The CZ on the other hand seems to be built like a eastern block tank. It has a much more angular profile. The cocking serrations are deep and wide which give good purchase, which it kind of needs to make up for the lower profile slide. The actual trigger shape is more like a straight profile trigger and I really like it. The slide release and decocking levers are big and easy to operate. The grip texture is about perfect, but I would like a bit more of it up a little higher on the grip, but it seems to stay put in the hand. Round count with it is only up over 500, but it seems to be natural to run right along side of the Px4 that I've been running hardest since April. If anyone was looking for a hammer fired DA/SA pistol in a polymer frame that is about the size of a Glock 19, I would be hard pressed to recommend one of these over the other and feel that if someone picked either one, they would be well armed.
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    Really liking midsize DA/SA poly pistols

    Not a bad price, but I got the P07 for $385.
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    Really liking midsize DA/SA poly pistols

    You may have a point. But, since the intro of the Glock 19 and then the Glock 26, the market has changed a bit and there are more "compact" options that could qualify as sub compact. But liking at pistols like XDM, S&W M&P compact, (pre-2.0 version), then Shields, XDS and other single stack pistols in 9mm and larger, the 'Ol G19 and Sig 229 and Beretta Px4 compact don't seem so compact any more. I think of them kind of like 1980s Buick Skylarks. Not really small, but not as big as a Century. So, I blame market change. But it isn't really wrong to call them compact. But to new shooters compact may make them think of something considerably smaller. In fact you may be more correct. I guess I may have bought into the "Nutnfancy" philosophy that not all "compact pistols" are really that compact. To me, shaving less than an inch off a slide or grip or both is limited in how compact it makes something. Maybe I'm screwed up in my way of thinking.
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    Canik TP9SF

    In the case of the TP9 series from Canik they have basically copied Walther. Not cosmetically or even fully ergonomically (unfortunately). The original TP9 model from Canik was basically a copy of the Walther P99 AS, using the same DA/SA striker fired trigger system with a slide mounted Decocker. Their next generations of pistols were largely copies of the Walther PPQ, again mostly in the mechanics and not the cosmetics. On a Canik forum one poster is claiming he can run his PPQ slide on his Canik frame and vice versa. If this is indeed true, then the basic design is a sound and proven one. My TP9V2 is a DA/SA striker fired pistol, similar to the Walther P99 AS, but the grip is longer to accommodate 18rnd mags vice 15 rounders. The grip shape is a bit more squared off (that is the unfortunate part I was referring to ergonomically. Walther has very comfortable grips.). If I could find a Walther P99 AS in 9mm in the non-Subcompact version, I might get rid of the TP9V2, but right now it's the closest that is imported, and I bought it for $299 gently used. I've put well over 1,000 rounds through it without cleaning of lubing it as part of a personal vetting process with a goal of getting it over 2k with no cleanjng or lube. If it can do that, I figure it is probably sound enough for me to carry with my normal cleaning and lubing regimen, which is much more kind to a pistol. Canik has been making CZ75 clones for a longer period of time than they have Walther clones. The factory conforms to NATO ISO 9000 standards as far as making military grade small arms. So, they aren't truely an "unproven" pistol, as much as unfamiliar.
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    Really liking midsize DA/SA poly pistols

    One more point that I found out and neglected to mention. If one desires to attach a weapon mounted light, the P07 has a more practical picatinny rail that can accept a full sized light such as the Streamlight TLR1. The compact Beretta will need a compact light as the accessory rail is cut too close to the trigger guard to accommodate a full sized light. This may not matter to those buying for concealed carry, but I'd someone is looking for a "Do it all" handgun that can also do nightstand duty or share a light with a full sized gun this may be a factor to be considered.
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    Really liking midsize DA/SA poly pistols

    Of course there is the P07 option as well. Only issue for you wife may be cycling the slide. If you can find both pustols in s shop and handle them you would get a better idea.
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    Really liking midsize DA/SA poly pistols

    John. Beretta offers a Concealed carry model that already includes all of the upgrades I installed on mine, plus it comes with the competition trigger system installed and has a Cerakoted slide instead of their standard finish. So, they have rethought it. Or if one opted to go with an Inox model it would have a stainless steel slide which would also possibly be better suited to carry. I chose to go with a base model to have the ability to adapt it as I went along to space out the cost. Also, I wadng sure if I was going to like the Px4 enough to commit to it. I do agree that a melonited of nitrited slide would be preferable to me. Also, Robar partnered with Ernest Langdon to offer Px4 compact carry models in different tier package levels which feature NP3 plated parts which is a super durable and self lubricating surface. But they do fetch a premium price. Also do bear in mind that I have been trying to push this pistol a bit to see what I can do with it. It has had lots of holster presentations and holstering a in a Kydex holster. Also lots of drills for practice.
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    Really liking midsize DA/SA poly pistols

    The P07 for comparison shows vry little sign of having run even the 500 plus rounds through it (probably closer to 700 as I did somewhere between 3-4 boxes just for break-in and familiarization before logging my round count on it.)
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    Really liking midsize DA/SA poly pistols

    The Px4 has some form of applied coating that you may be able to see some chips and scratches in. There seems to still be another coating or treatment under this which I would guess to be a phosphate coat to help get the top coat to adhere better. But basically the outer coating is a bit soft. I figure I will wear this coating out and can decide what type of finish I would like to have done to it when it becomes necessary to refinish. The barrel has some honest and unique wear patterns due to the rotating design. Ernest Langdon had recently posted some pictures of wear on his full sized Px4 that just went over 36,000 rounds. It seems like some of the wear hits a plateau and then stabilizes. Here are some pics of the slide and barrel. It can be hard to pick up some of the light scratches on the surface finish from holstering, but some of the flaking of the finish as well as some areas that are beginning to go bare, are starting to show up.
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    Really liking midsize DA/SA poly pistols

    I have carried both and run some drills using a JM Custom Kydex AIWB holster. Both seem to draw an point quite naturally. First shot from draw times are very close. The P07 seems to have a bit more muzzle rise, but both seem to come back on target quickly. I'll have to run my shot timer with them side by side on my next trip to look at split times. Both are seem to demonstrate an ability to be very mechanically accurate. I am not wringing out the best accuracy with the P07 yet, but I have almost 4 times the trigger time with the Px4, and the reduced hammer spring weight in the Px4 does help with DA accuracy. The P07 has a more palpable and tactile trigger reset, which can be useful if you are trying to focus on reset during recoil for a faster follow up. One thing I did note though on my last trip was that I had been working on cadence drills but wrapped up my session trying a few defensive loads in the P07 that I had already run through the Px4. I was getting "Good" groups with the CZ at 7 yds with Magtech and Federal Champion aluminum cased ammo during the drills, but when I switched to the premium ammo and shot some 5 shot groups for accuracy it was producing one hole groups with Hornady Critical Duty and American Gunner ammo, and pretty tight groups with Winchester White Box 115 Gr "Personal Defense" JHP "bargain" loads that were on sale for $21 per 50 rounds last time I was in my local Sportsman's Warehouse. I would be really hard pressed to recommend one of these pistols over the other though, because they seem to run and handle so similarly. If racking a slide is difficult for someone, the Px4 may have a bit of an advantage, and felt recoil seems to be lower in the Px4 as well. If someone wants something built like a tank, the P07 may be the way to go. Based on the slide in frame design there may be some advantage in it's ability to keep debris encountered in daily carry out of the inner workings of the pistol. (MAC Gauntlet test on youtube may not be scientific, but it can point out some strengths and weaknesses in a design. The P07 did quite well in those tests and Tim pointed out that it may have performed better if he had actually used the double action to it's fullest potential. So, while I use Tim's tests mostly for entertainment, I think there can still be some useful info gleaned from his tests. He just picked up a Px4 full size and posted that he was breaking it in to run through the Gauntlet test, so it could be interesting to see if the rotating barrel system has some vulnerabilities even though most carry guns won't be subjected to that level of treatment.) I actually like both pistols well enough that I may give up my Glocks and buy one more each of the Px4 Compact and the P07 to have as back ups in the event that I did have to use one in a defensive situation and they had to be taken into evidence. I will likely be running both of these pistols side by side at range range trips for the foreseeable future and seeing if one walks ahead of the other in preference. I do really like the way my Px4 is set up. The P07 could benefit from a similar high visibility front sight and a lighter hammer spring as well. The slide finish on the Beretta is not super durable and is showing some pretty good wear after 6 months of moderate us, though that use has been heavy on drills that incorporate holster presentations. But, even at the first 500 rounds I could tell the finish was possibly going to be an issue at some point. The P07 has a melonited slide and after a wipe-down I can hardly see any wear on the exterior finish. I'l see if I can get some pic posted of wear on the Px4 posted, along with some of the P07. (Again the Px4 has about 4 times the use, but it still may be useful to see.)
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    Really liking midsize DA/SA poly pistols

    Yep. I'd have to agree. The PX4 surprises a lot of people though. I know it surprised me. I had largely ignored the full sized Px4 from the time they were introduced over 10 years ago, But once I got to shooting the compact I have become more and more impressed with it, and I like it even more after really setting it up for carry. A buddy of mine was visiting from out of town, and we went out shooting earlier this year. I showed him the Beretta and he said he really wasn't a fan of Berettas. I got him to shoot it and he turned around after the first mag and said "You're sure this is a Beretta? 'Cause I kinda like it."
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    Would you agree to this trade????

    "THEY" want to go for total gun confiscation, if we really get down to it, but they had a lot more success with baby steps. Slidefire stocks could go away as far as I'm concerned, but the total gun picture isn't about me. I agree that I'm tired of being on the side that has to give stuff up.
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    New Canik Product Safety Warning Issued

    And I'm not supposed to make toast in the bathtub as a morning time saver.
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    Canik TP9SF

    It is called a raven claw. It is meant to act as a lever inside your belt to rotate the grip in toward the body to reduce printing through a cover garment. Seems to work quite well.
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    Canik TP9SF

    He can make wrong handed ones too.
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    Canik TP9SF

    Here's a pic of my TP9V2 with the holster from Smoky Mountain Concealment. Just to give you an idea of the kind of work they do.
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    Canik TP9SF

    I have a holster from Smoky Mountain Concealment for my Canik TP9V2. The guy that owns/runs it, Shane, was very easy to communicate with, was fast to fill the order, and responded quickly when I wanted to add to my order. The holster I got is an Appendix carry rig, and is very well made. He offers other designs for the Canik as well, for competition or outside the waistband carry. If you check them out on Facebook he usually has a premade Canik holster every Friday and Tuesday that will be discounted. You have to be quick to spot it if itis the configuratiin you like, hit the link and buy it, before someone else does. It was how I got my AIWB holster at a $15 discount.
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    Canik TP9SF

    I've got a couple Caniks. Been very pleased with them. For the price of the light, you are usually about half way into one of these TP9 series pistols. So, you can't go too far wrong if you didn't like it and had to sell it.
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    Talk to me about CZ's

    I wouldn't blame you. I think both seem like very good pistols. I mean, I've got Glock, M&P and Canik represented in my striker fired pistol group.
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    Talk to me about CZ's

    The P10c has a lighter, crisper, shorter traveling trigger than the PPQ (based on dry fire of the one sample I have seen locally). If that is better for carry may be a subjective question though. I've recently opted to move away from single action striker fired pistols, and go back to DA/SA for carry. Still like a good striker fired pistol but now mostly for range time.
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    Talk to me about CZ's

    CZ 75 B Omega and CZ 75 SP01. Both are full sized/ service pistol sized guns. Both shoot quite well. The P07 is more of a Glock 19 sized pistol. Still a very good shooter, but a bit more portable/lighter.
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    Talk to me about CZ's

    The new P10c. It was definitely designed to compete directly with the G19 to the point that many G19 holsters will fit it.This is currently CZs only striker fired pistol in production. Their bread and butter has been DA/SA hammer fired pistols. If you wanted a DA/SA pistol that competes with the G19 then the P07 is a polymer framed pistol, close to the G19 dimensions. Their aluminum framed PCR was made as a light weight CZ75B for police use and makes a nice carry pistol. If you needed a rail there is the P01 which is an aluminum framed compact CZ75B with a rail.
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