Scout Actual Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Hey guys, My girlfriend enjoys shooting guns (9mm Glock) and the .22 but she is fairly recoil sensitive. She only weighs 105 lbs so I'm not surprised. I'm learning that it is counter-productive to try and "force" a bigger caliber on her (so to speak). I would still like to get her setup with a carbine for self defense purposes but even the (relatively) mild .223 is out. To this end I'm considering getting her a 9mm carbine. I've read into the various non-AR 9mm platforms out there and there are only a couple that look suitable: the Beretta CX4 Storm and the (discontinued) Ruger PC9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Cx4_Storm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Police_Carbine The Hi-Point hasn't have the capacity (10 rnds), the Kel-Tec isn't durable enough (and I don't hate Kel-Tec, I own an SU-16C & a PF9). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Point_Carbine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_SUB-2000 I'm considering an AR-15 platform 9mm because (as long as I use the right parts) it can be a fairly easy switch to .223 if she ever gets up the nerve. My biggest "barrier to entry" is wanting to get some real-world opinions on the recoil of a 9mm carbine compared to a .223 carbine. The 9mm has about 1/3rd the muzzle energy but I'm not sure that will directly translate into 1/3rd the recoil. If the weapon doesn't have light enough recoil, then I'm on a hopeless quest. If I do go the AR-15 route I am thinking about doing a 5.56 upper & lower, with a magwell block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbarron06 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 9mm carbines are ball. I don't have any experience with the ones you prefer but the ones I have shot seem to not have much more recoil than a 22 carbine but then again I am not recoil sensitive. 9mm with the right modern ammo is very effective as a SD/HD caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ1911 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Hey guys, My girlfriend enjoys shooting guns (9mm Glock) and the .22 but she is fairly recoil sensitive. She only weighs 105 lbs so I'm not surprised. I'm learning that it is counter-productive to try and "force" a bigger caliber on her (so to speak). I would still like to get her setup with a carbine for self defense purposes but even the (relatively) mild .223 is out. To this end I'm considering getting her a 9mm carbine. I've read into the various non-AR 9mm platforms out there and there are only a couple that look suitable: the Beretta CX4 Storm and the (discontinued) Ruger PC9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Cx4_Storm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Police_Carbine The Hi-Point hasn't have the capacity (10 rnds), the Kel-Tec isn't durable enough (and I don't hate Kel-Tec, I own an SU-16C & a PF9). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Point_Carbine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_SUB-2000 I'm considering an AR-15 platform 9mm because (as long as I use the right parts) it can be a fairly easy switch to .223 if she ever gets up the nerve. My biggest "barrier to entry" is wanting to get some real-world opinions on the recoil of a 9mm carbine compared to a .223 carbine. The 9mm has about 1/3rd the muzzle energy but I'm not sure that will directly translate into 1/3rd the recoil. If the weapon doesn't have light enough recoil, then I'm on a hopeless quest. If I do go the AR-15 route I am thinking about doing a 5.56 upper & lower, with a magwell block. On the 5.56 carbine, did you have a muzzle break? Because, those are used for reducing recoil. Now, for the 9mm AR. I have one, and it is very low on recoil. I personally can't tell much of a difference. If you can, go to a local range and see if they have a 9mm AR that you can rent. Yes, a 9mm is nowhere near the power of a 5.56. But, with the right ammo, it will be pushing the ballistics of a, .357 magnum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Actual Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 On the 5.56 carbine, did you have a muzzle break? Because, those are used for reducing recoil. Now, for the 9mm AR. I have one, and it is very low on recoil. I personally can't tell much of a difference. If you can, go to a local range and see if they have a 9mm AR that you can rent. Yes, a 9mm is nowhere near the power of a 5.56. But, with the right ammo, it will be pushing the ballistics of a, .357 magnum. Can't tell much of a difference between... 5.56 & 9mm? 9mm & .22LR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ1911 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Can't tell much of a difference between... 5.56 & 9mm? 9mm & .22LR? Keep in mind, I am 6 foot, 290. The two feel the same to me, unless you kick it up to 308. However, I spoke to my parents, both of them are 61. My mom, is recoil sensitive, and definitely says, the 9mm has less recoil. .22, feels like an airsoft gun to me. Did you have a muzzle break on the carbine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Actual Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 Keep in mind, I am 6 foot, 290. The two feel the same to me, unless you kick it up to 308. However, I spoke to my parents, both of them are 61. My mom, is recoil sensitive, and definitely says, the 9mm has less recoil. .22, feels like an airsoft gun to me. Did you have a muzzle break on the carbine? Thx. I have a flash hider, not a comp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ1911 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Thx. I have a flash hider, not a comp. A comp is for muzzle rise reduction. Breaks, are for recoil reduction. I would try getting a break if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Actual Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 Copy that. I'll check in to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ1911 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Copy that. I'll check in to. No problem. BTW, welcome to the forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Actual Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 No problem. BTW, welcome to the forums. Thx. So, anyone else have hands on experience with a 9mm AR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Prophit Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Mags are usually the issue, is the other half noise or conccusive sensitive as a muzzle break increases those aspects. I have 22lr upper, it is one of the best purchases I have made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Actual Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Mags are usually the issue, is the other half noise or conccusive sensitive as a muzzle break increases those aspects. I have 22lr upper, it is one of the best purchases I have made. 22LR sounds like fun. The intention of the 9mm AR is to be "battle ready" and be soft enough on the recoil to appease the GF. I don't think I'll be buying one until I get her the opportunity to shoot some kinda pistol caliber carbine. I've got a buddy with a CX4 Storm & Kel-Tec Sub 2000 (although I think both are in .40S&W). I'll probably borrow one or both and let her try them out before committing down the 9mm AR or 9mm carbine path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ1911 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Mags are usually the issue, is the other half noise or conccusive sensitive as a muzzle break increases those aspects. I have 22lr upper, it is one of the best purchases I have made.As long as they are good magazines. Metalform mags are really good magazines. Not crazy expensive. CDNN has them for like $20-25 per 32 round mag, when I bought them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ1911 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 22LR sounds like fun. The intention of the 9mm AR is to be "battle ready" and be soft enough on the recoil to appease the GF. I don't think I'll be buying one until I get her the opportunity to shoot some kinda pistol caliber carbine. I've got a buddy with a CX4 Storm & Kel-Tec Sub 2000 (although I think both are in .40S&W). I'll probably borrow one or both and let her try them out before committing down the 9mm AR or 9mm carbine path. We have a Sig Sauer 522 and it is fun. Try a CX4 Storm from your friend. The one good thing is, it takes beretta 92 mags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rifleman2000 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I must be the lone ranger here. My 9mm AR15, a lightweight Colt, kicks more than a 5.56mm AR. Not by much, but definitely more. It is much quieter though, and I think for most beginners the report rather than the kick is what turns them off the AR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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