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Hey guys,

 

My girlfriend enjoys shooting guns (9mm Glock) and the .22 but she is fairly recoil sensitive. She only weighs 105 lbs so I'm not surprised. I'm learning that it is counter-productive to try and "force" a bigger caliber on her (so to speak). I would still like to get her setup with a carbine for self defense purposes but even the (relatively) mild .223 is out. To this end I'm considering getting her a 9mm carbine.

 

I've read into the various non-AR 9mm platforms out there and there are only a couple that look suitable: the Beretta CX4 Storm and the (discontinued) Ruger PC9.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Cx4_Storm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Police_Carbine

 

The Hi-Point hasn't have the capacity (10 rnds), the Kel-Tec isn't durable enough (and I don't hate Kel-Tec, I own an SU-16C & a PF9).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Point_Carbine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_SUB-2000

 

I'm considering an AR-15 platform 9mm because (as long as I use the right parts) it can be a fairly easy switch to .223 if she ever gets up the nerve.

 

My biggest "barrier to entry" is wanting to get some real-world opinions on the recoil of a 9mm carbine compared to a .223 carbine. The 9mm has about 1/3rd the muzzle energy but I'm not sure that will directly translate into 1/3rd the recoil. If the weapon doesn't have light enough recoil, then I'm on a hopeless quest.

 

If I do go the AR-15 route I am thinking about doing a 5.56 upper & lower, with a magwell block.

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Hey guys,

 

My girlfriend enjoys shooting guns (9mm Glock) and the .22 but she is fairly recoil sensitive. She only weighs 105 lbs so I'm not surprised. I'm learning that it is counter-productive to try and "force" a bigger caliber on her (so to speak). I would still like to get her setup with a carbine for self defense purposes but even the (relatively) mild .223 is out. To this end I'm considering getting her a 9mm carbine.

 

I've read into the various non-AR 9mm platforms out there and there are only a couple that look suitable: the Beretta CX4 Storm and the (discontinued) Ruger PC9.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Cx4_Storm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Police_Carbine

 

The Hi-Point hasn't have the capacity (10 rnds), the Kel-Tec isn't durable enough (and I don't hate Kel-Tec, I own an SU-16C & a PF9).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Point_Carbine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_SUB-2000

 

I'm considering an AR-15 platform 9mm because (as long as I use the right parts) it can be a fairly easy switch to .223 if she ever gets up the nerve.

 

My biggest "barrier to entry" is wanting to get some real-world opinions on the recoil of a 9mm carbine compared to a .223 carbine. The 9mm has about 1/3rd the muzzle energy but I'm not sure that will directly translate into 1/3rd the recoil. If the weapon doesn't have light enough recoil, then I'm on a hopeless quest.

 

If I do go the AR-15 route I am thinking about doing a 5.56 upper & lower, with a magwell block.

On the 5.56 carbine, did you have a muzzle break? Because, those are used for reducing recoil.

Now, for the 9mm AR. I have one, and it is very low on recoil. I personally can't tell much of a difference.

If you can, go to a local range and see if they have a 9mm AR that you can rent.

Yes, a 9mm is nowhere near the power of a 5.56. But, with the right ammo, it will be pushing the ballistics of a, .357 magnum.

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On the 5.56 carbine, did you have a muzzle break? Because, those are used for reducing recoil.

Now, for the 9mm AR. I have one, and it is very low on recoil. I personally can't tell much of a difference.

If you can, go to a local range and see if they have a 9mm AR that you can rent.

Yes, a 9mm is nowhere near the power of a 5.56. But, with the right ammo, it will be pushing the ballistics of a, .357 magnum.

 

Can't tell much of a difference between... 5.56 & 9mm? 9mm & .22LR?

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Can't tell much of a difference between... 5.56 & 9mm? 9mm & .22LR?

Keep in mind, I am 6 foot, 290. The two feel the same to me, unless you kick it up to 308. However, I spoke to my parents, both of them are 61. My mom, is recoil sensitive, and definitely says, the 9mm has less recoil. .22, feels like an airsoft gun to me.

Did you have a muzzle break on the carbine?

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Keep in mind, I am 6 foot, 290. The two feel the same to me, unless you kick it up to 308. However, I spoke to my parents, both of them are 61. My mom, is recoil sensitive, and definitely says, the 9mm has less recoil. .22, feels like an airsoft gun to me.

Did you have a muzzle break on the carbine?

 

Thx. I have a flash hider, not a comp.

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Mags are usually the issue, is the other half noise or conccusive sensitive as a muzzle break increases those aspects. I have 22lr upper, it is one of the best purchases I have made.

 

22LR sounds like fun. The intention of the 9mm AR is to be "battle ready" and be soft enough on the recoil to appease the GF. I don't think I'll be buying one until I get her the opportunity to shoot some kinda pistol caliber carbine. I've got a buddy with a CX4 Storm & Kel-Tec Sub 2000 (although I think both are in .40S&W). I'll probably borrow one or both and let her try them out before committing down the 9mm AR or 9mm carbine path.

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Mags are usually the issue, is the other half noise or conccusive sensitive as a muzzle break increases those aspects. I have 22lr upper, it is one of the best purchases I have made.

As long as they are good magazines. Metalform mags are really good magazines. Not crazy expensive. CDNN has them for like $20-25 per 32 round mag, when I bought them.
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22LR sounds like fun. The intention of the 9mm AR is to be "battle ready" and be soft enough on the recoil to appease the GF. I don't think I'll be buying one until I get her the opportunity to shoot some kinda pistol caliber carbine. I've got a buddy with a CX4 Storm & Kel-Tec Sub 2000 (although I think both are in .40S&W). I'll probably borrow one or both and let her try them out before committing down the 9mm AR or 9mm carbine path.

We have a Sig Sauer 522 and it is fun. Try a CX4 Storm from your friend. The one good thing is, it takes beretta 92 mags.
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