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I know this has been discussed but when I search for 7.62 on tapatalk nothing comes so please don't kill me, just link me, here goes

 

I have a lower & Im still trying to decide on an upper and the patriots here will sing the praises of 5.55 all day long & the commies will swear 7.62 is better than vodka but does anyone have both calibers in a AR platform?

 

Ive seen & heard that the Comm round needs a few little tweaks like a heavier buffer or rifle buffer, heavier hammer spring, a longer or modified firing pin and the proper feed ramps but having done all that, will it serve as an all purpose rifle?

 

I plan on hunting (mostly whitetail but maybe bear & bob cat if i bolt on a pair of larger nuts) and if need be a HD & SHTF. AR vs AK is like 9mm vs .40 cal but they're two different guns. With 5.56 vs 7.62 they'd be the same platform, same lower so would accuracy & range still be a concern with 7.62 or because it's a tighter tolerance rifle, a more refined design would it be on par with it's NATO rival?

 

What I know is that the AR is more accurate than an AK but a SKS in 7.62 is fairly accurate as well. The 5.56 has better range, 700 yards vs 400-500 but less down range impact. Penetration is better with the 7.62 but that may be a problem with HD if there are friendlies around. 7.62 is a little more finicky especially the primers but it's cheaper as well. "Variety" is about the same; hollow point, penetrator, FMJ, soft point & Im sure theres others but Rip Out comes to mind also, its meant for extreme expansion & recommended for hog hunting with .223/5.56 & i can only imagine what it would do in .30 cal

 

Speaking of hunting, Im moving to PA (currently in lib-central NY, cant hunt with a rifle south of Orange County) and PA does not currently allow semi's for hunting but I'll be hunting with a disabled gas system IF i get the go ahead from Fish & Game, if not, maybe a Mosin Nagant? They're cheap, powerful & accurate

 

Ideally I would get both uppers since they share the same lower as opposed to the .308 which is an AR10 lower but at the moment Im trying to scrape together enough for 1 upper

 

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I don't think having a disabled gas system is a great idea for a "HD & SHTF" rifle. A ruffian can kick your door in just as easy during hunting season as they can the rest of the year.

 

I'll let other folks chime in on the current state of x39 uppers. If I wanted a bigger bullet I would go 300 blk just so I wouldn't have to worry about magazines.

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I don't think having a disabled gas system is a great idea for a "HD & SHTF" rifle. A ruffian can kick your door in just as easy during hunting season as they can the rest of the year.

 

I'll let other folks chime in on the current state of x39 uppers. If I wanted a bigger bullet I would go 300 blk just so I wouldn't have to worry about magazines.

 

This ^^^^^^.

 

It is foolish to have the gas system disabled. If you want a 7.62 single shot, buy a .308 bolt-action rifle. If you want a HD/SHTF AR-15, get one in 5.56. There are times when a single weapon cannot perform multiple task. Your situation is one of those times. Like mechanics, carpenters, plumbers, etc, they use tools for specific tasks. The same goes for gun owners. Personally, I do not hunt. I do not have the need. That is not saying that I cannot or would not. I am perfectly capable and I have rifles that can be used for that. I own many ARs which include 5.56 AR-15s and one in 7.62 NATO (.308). They are all built certain purposes. While some can serve a few different tasks, I have others that serve one task. You have to prioritize. If that means getting a 5.56 upper for HD/SHTF and a .300BO or even a 6.8SPC for hunting, then that is what you may need to do. I would not go the 7.62x39 route. It is a slow round and is only really effectively accurate to about 150 yards. In essence, it is your money and your decision. We can only make recommendations. It is up to you to heed the recommendations or dismiss them altogether.

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He has the gas system disabled as a semi auto with detachable magazine is illegal in the great socialist repulik of new yorkistan.

 

once he gets out of state he can correct the issue. By blocking the gas port off its basically a one shot, no different than a pump action or bolt action rifle.

 

not idea for HD/SHTF, but all you can do till you get out of this shat-hole of a state.

 

 

As for 7.62x39, I'm not opposed to it in an AR setup, but am hesitant to go with a normal AR setup.

 

RRA and SMMG, and a handful of others are making custom ARs that are paired down .308 versions that run AK mags(which feed better than AR mags in 7.62) and with bigger bolts(that are less likely to break).

 

See how thin the walls on the bolt face are:

 

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A standard AR in 7.62x39 with with conversion bolt and appropriate barrel I would be hesitant to use for HD as I would not trust it between the bolt issue, and the mag issue.

 

The firing pin is an easy fix, there are companies making FPs with slightly longer ends to penetrate the harder soviet primers.

 

Just my $.02

 

If you get out of state and have your heart set on the caliber, I'd look at the PSA KS-47.

 

300 is a decent round as well. I was an early convert to it and don't shoot it much due to availability/price.

 

Past about 400 yards the round drops like a rock, but I don't think there is much in the NE area that you cann hunt beyond that range, so it might be a good option for you. Also a killer for HD...

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He has the gas system disabled as a semi auto with detachable magazine is illegal in the great socialist repulik of new yorkistan.

 

once he gets out of state he can correct the issue. By blocking the gas port off its basically a one shot, no different than a pump action or bolt action rifle.

 

not idea for HD/SHTF, but all you can do till you get out of this shat-hole of a state.

 

 

As for 7.62x39, I'm not opposed to it in an AR setup, but am hesitant to go with a normal AR setup.

 

RRA and SMMG, and a handful of others are making custom ARs that are paired down .308 versions that run AK mags(which feed better than AR mags in 7.62) and with bigger bolts(that are less likely to break).

 

See how thin the walls on the bolt face are:

 

IMG_1886_zpsa103bdce.jpg

 

A standard AR in 7.62x39 with with conversion bolt and appropriate barrel I would be hesitant to use for HD as I would not trust it between the bolt issue, and the mag issue.

 

The firing pin is an easy fix, there are companies making FPs with slightly longer ends to penetrate the harder soviet primers.

 

Just my $.02

 

If you get out of state and have your heart set on the caliber, I'd look at the PSA KS-47.

 

300 is a decent round as well. I was an early convert to it and don't shoot it much due to availability/price.

 

Past about 400 yards the round drops like a rock, but I don't think there is much in the NE area that you cann hunt beyond that range, so it might be a good option for you. Also a killer for HD...

My only gripe with 300 blk is availability & cost as you pointed out, plus it seems to prefer subsonic/suppressed and I don't plan on getting a suppressor even though they're legal in pa it still carries a tax stamp. I'll probably stick with a 5.56 and either get a bolt/lever rifle for large game or AR10 & disable the gas (pa doesn't currently allow hunting with semi's)

 

As far as the current setup with disabled gas, it's to skirt the unSAFE Act but once I cross state lines into friendly territory it's going back to semi, I have no other reason to keep it handicapped besides an unconstitutional law

 

I appreciate the input & hopefully I'll be putting rounds downrange pretty damn soon

 

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For hunting larger game, I would most likely opt for a 6.5 Grendel setup. Or even a 25-45 Sharps.

 

I believe both carry enough energy to take a whitetail at the distances you are looking at in PA. (depending on what part of the state)

 

Just my opinion.

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@captainbarred. I was just looking at delta team & they have a 300 upper for the same price as 223 but ammo becomes a concern. Besides AAC, what other variations can it handle? Ive heard it can handle Whisper but is that it? And there are varying reports that it's most reliable with pistol gas (shouldn't be a problem, just pointing it out)

 

@ CityfiedHillbilly the 6.5 is an up & comer but higher cost than 223 or 300. On paper it looks like a good round but pricey & the 25-45 rounds I saw are $1 a round, for whitetail & maybe the odd bear, i think 300 comes out ahead of them. If I were an operator I'd go with 6.5 but i think it's too rich for my blood at the moment

 

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@captainbarred. I was just looking at delta team & they have a 300 upper for the same price as 223 but ammo becomes a concern. Besides AAC, what other variations can it handle? Ive heard it can handle Whisper but is that it? And there are varying reports that it's most reliable with pistol gas (shouldn't be a problem, just pointing it out)

 

@ CityfiedHillbilly the 6.5 is an up & comer but higher cost than 223 or 300. On paper it looks like a good round but pricey & the 25-45 rounds I saw are $1 a round, for whitetail & maybe the odd bear, i think 300 comes out ahead of them. If I were an operator I'd go with 6.5 but i think it's too rich for my blood at the moment

 

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I guess everyone is a bit different.

 

I don't generally throw a lot of rounds through my "hunting" rifles.

 

So, a little extra for the ammo isn't necessarily a deal breaker for me.

 

But I can see the other side of that too.

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If it was a dedicated hunting rifle then no it wouldn't be bad, sight in then hunt, but as a general all purpose rifle the price is a bit high. As of right now I can swing one upper so it would be a multi-purpose round, cheap enough to have fun at the range but accurate & deadly enough to reliably & humanely take game. In PA it would live as a semi until deer season then block the gas port & hunt provided that's acceptable. If its not then I'll have to get a bolt action

 

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The 7.62X39 is pretty low pressure and is a bit neutered. The bolts, as produced NOW, are pretty reliable. Ritch and I've been shooting one or two in hot rodded Grendel cases for several thousand rounds. No breakage yet among them.

 

Magazines have come along ways in the past few years especially in the lower capacities that are allowed by most states for hunting. I shoot a wildcat that runs over the top of the BLK, the 7.62X39 and the 30-30 in an AR. Nice 30 caliber bullets humped up to the level they will perform at the velocities I am running. I have one of each of the others and in all honesty for deer, small black bear and two leggers they will all work if the range and bullet choice is adjusted accordingly IMHO

 

I like the 6.5 or even the 6.8 for all those chores and ammunition choice is certainly there. Price tag is not bad if you do some internet shopping and if you reload, if not now then when?, then that is a moot point.

 

If I wanted to carry an AR style for hunting I would do a gas portless one for hunting and a standard upper for SD at the house. Personally I'd just go get a Model 7, a CZ or a Browning Micro bolt gun and have at it out there.

 

Just some thoughts. Your choice will be interesting to follow.

 

Greg

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@GLShooter when you said gas portless, Im assuming (hopefully correctly) that you mean a barrel without the gas port drilled so it's a single shot. If my assumption is correct then my idea isn't far off. Ideally I would have a solid rod, probably tool steel with pin notch placed in the gas block effectively making it a single shot that can be converted back to semi with a gas tube & a roll pin punch

 

Im leaning more towards the 300 after doing some reading on terminal ballistics, muzzle energy, barrier penetration and knockdown power especially on tougher targets like bear, boar & hardened baddies

 

My cousin was into reloading especially 5.56, USMC with M16's, not sure which variant but Ive never reloaded in my life, kind of dangerous with a house full of smokers, myself included

 

At some point I probably will get a bolt gun strictly for hunting but that will have to wait until Im in PA, prices are outrageous here and the FFL transfer & etc.

 

Im not big on bolt guns, so my knowledge is less than limited but it might be my only way to hunt there if the single shot AR doesn't fly

 

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Yes portless, no gas hole, on the barrel just like a bolt action with an AR barrel extension. BHW is doing a LARGE number of those. Guys using side-charger upper so it is a straight pull. If you are like me shooting left handed I can reach up and run a side charger on the right and go like the dickens. It's like a straight pull Manlicher from the old day or the Browning T22. The side charger is the secret to making them run. A right handed shooter with a left hand handle is very fast.

 

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Or you can just get some of this awesomeness.

 

https://blackwoodarms.com/product/blackwood-arms-side-charging-upper-receiver/

 

BTW Mikey, powder is not an explosive. It's just flammable. No big boom, and just don't smoke while you reload. The powder doesn't care what you do in the next room.

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That's interesting. I wonder who their copy writer was. Not cheap but not out of line either. I'd like to test drive one.

 

Greg

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That's interesting. I wonder who their copy writer was. Not cheap but not out of line either..... I'd like to test drive one.

 

Greg

 

As would I, for a decade or two :laugh:

But, for the price...my change jar needs to be quite a bit fuller.

 

I know there are not many/cheaper options...but it's on the radar.

 

As to the OP, and the 7.62x39 AR...

 

I looked into it ALOT, before I just went with tried and true 5.56...

And then, I just went and bought some ak's, instead.

 

Probably not an answer you want, but it was mine, when I was thinking as you are.

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