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Talk me into/out of the Hakim....

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Based on a swedish design that I think was sortof an answer to the Garand, the Hakim is an egyptian rifle that was made for about 20 years to the tune of about 70,000 rifles.

 

They currently sell for about half what the original Swedish guns sell for on the surplus market and while they are in the non-american 8mm.

 

Ive been wanting one on and off for a few years (granted I'd take an SVT or K43 any day of the week over the Hakim), but that doesn't mean the Hakim isn't a great gun....

 

 

Now, I wasn't really searching for one, but a local shop who I watch their GB listings, has one out there for $700.  Considering I can skip the shipping and transfer fee, it saves me a bit of money, I could even take something in to trade...

 

 

Here is the kicker..... I've recently been cutting back some on my collection.  Trying to consolidate my caliber variety. and cutting back to just collecting the small arms of the US forces, and a couple samples of our allies and enemies.

 

The SVT or K43 would fit in my curent collection, the Hakim is kindof a bastiage war child in that regard.... and I could just put that money towards an SVT or K43...

 

 

Hmm, I just don't know....

 

I don't see the price going anywhere but up as they only made 70,000 to begin with... but then, it is a copy of the swedish gun, so those are far more in demand than the Hakim....

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If you buy the Hakim, it would most likely increase in value. If you want an SVT, you would need to probably double your investment. For a K43 it would be roughly triple or quadruple. Milsurps are increasing in value as they are not being imported any longer. Most you see on Gunbroker are coming from people selling off collections or from shops that take them in low and sell them high. I let my C&R lapse and don't really miss it, keeps me from spending stupid money.

 

The Hakim is a solid rifle, keep your fingers away from the open bolt!

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1 hour ago, andy2205 said:

If you buy the Hakim, it would most likely increase in value. If you want an SVT, you would need to probably double your investment. For a K43 it would be roughly triple or quadruple. Milsurps are increasing in value as they are not being imported any longer. Most you see on Gunbroker are coming from people selling off collections or from shops that take them in low and sell them high. I let my C&R lapse and don't really miss it, keeps me from spending stupid money.

 

The Hakim is a solid rifle, keep your fingers away from the open bolt!

Yeah I can grab an SVT for about $1300 and am wondering if I should jump now before they go up.  Last time I considered one seriously they were $900.

 

shat, I have 7 Mosins, I am trying to decide if I should sell a couple.  Could probably sell 5 and fund the SVT... But man I love seeing the row of identical rifles on the wall....

 

The Garand came first, otherwise it would have been the Hakim thumb! :lol:  The way you load the strippers, if the saftey is not on... buh-bye thumb!

 

Another pro to getting the SVT is I already have a good surplus of 7.62x54 for the Mosins...

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Love my Hakim. Already had a good supply of 8mm for my mausers. SVT's  would go great with your russian's,  but Hakim's are also good shooters. Good luck with your decision.

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You could also shop around for a deal on a FN49. It's another similar appearing rifle that was the predecessor to the FAL, and were produced in 7x57, 8x57, and .30-06.

From time to time they still turn up under $1K.....considerably more than I gave for my 7x57 42yrs ago.

 

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1 hour ago, Longhair said:

You could also shop around for a deal on a FN49. It's another similar appearing rifle that was the predecessor to the FAL, and were produced in 7x57, 8x57, and .30-06.

From time to time they still turn up under $1K.....considerably more than I gave for my 7x57 42yrs ago.

 

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I forgot about those.....  looks like the evolution of an Enfield Mk 4 into semi auto... I like it...

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9 hours ago, captainbarred said:

 

Another pro to getting the SVT is I already have a good surplus of 7.62x54 for the Mosins...

The SVT is kinda a pain in the ass to clean up after using corrosive ammo. If you can pick up the Hakim, do it,  I don't think you would lose money. And why not sell the Mosins? Yep it would be cool to have a rack full, but the SVT would add diversity to your collection.

 

I started with a Garand and ended with a K43 (stupid money) and had a bunch in between without any duplicates. Biggest pain in the ass was different ammo. Sometimes you get to stay in caliber. The 03A3 is in '06 as well as the Lux FN-49. The K43 is in 8mm as well as the Yugo M48. The FR-8 is 7.62x51 like the FAL and PTR or MK14 clone. Finn Mosin goes with the SVT and Mosin carbine.  The only loner is the No. 4 Mk.2 in .303.

 

Buy them while you can and enjoy them!

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Do eeeet....

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Go for it.

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Asking me to talk someone out of a gun is like asking a wino to talk you out of taking a drink of wine. 

 

ESPECIALLY,. an 8mm semi.  I love the 8mm round.  Kind of hard to talk you out of something I wish I had.

 

Tj

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do it

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Do it. Or get a Mas 49/56

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Damn I was dumb. Back in the day I could have picked these things up for 10% of what they are selling for now and I was spending money on women.

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6 minutes ago, MontanaLon said:

Damn I was dumb. Back in the day I could have picked these things up for 10% of what they are selling for now and I was spending money on women.

 

It's very subjective what each person chooses to do with their money. What's good for one may not be good for another. Even the same person living through different eras will have different priorities.  At the end of the day, isn't like we can take it with us anyways.

 

 

 

To the OP, I see based off of some of the comments from others that you have a healthy number of Mosin-Nagants on hand?  I'm going to play devil's advocate here and suggest skipping the Hakim in favor of the SVT-40 to compliment that collection.  You said yourself that you've been trying to consolidate on the variety of calibers.  The SVT is a SWEET rifle!  The nice thing is it's x54R, AND takes the same stripper clips as the Mosin's.  Even maintaining it is enjoyable.  Other than the M1A, it's the rifle I most enjoy diving into its guts for cleaning.  Besides, as with the Hakim, it's going to keep going up in price. Likely more so due to being a relic from a world war.



Just know what you're getting into if you decide on the SVT.  For something you wish to shoot VERY often?  Perhaps something from about '42 and later I believe would better suit you.  The earlier models have slightly thinner stocks along where it is inletted for the receiver.  However, as with any firearms built during a period of war back then, the longer into the conflict, the more crude they became. 

 

Be very cautious during disassembly not to lift straight up on the upper handguard.  Bill at PPSH.com sells stainless steel piston and cup sets.  Finding a real SVT sling is damn near as impossible as it is to find the original matching magazine, but PPSH slings were commonly used as well. 

 

Just to list a few things to keep in mind...

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