Would you support a Trump war in Venezuela?

[Retcop]

11 hours ago, gshayd said:

We don't need that oil anymore.

 

i was not speaking of oil.

[gshayd]

Nope..that is a problem for the countries there

[gshayd]

On 2/27/2019 at 5:26 AM, Retcop said:

 

i was not speaking of oil.

Whatever he is selling we don't need.

[Retcop]

1 hour ago, gshayd said:

Whatever he is selling we don't need.

 

What he is selling is a communist dictatorship, and relationships with other communist countries

that could threaten our National Security.   Chinese, Russian, North Korean, Cuban, or Iranian nuke missiles in 

Venezuela, anyone  ?  Given the radicalization of our own Left, it is very much in our interest to keep Communism

or its precursor in whatever incarnation it happens to be flowering.  

 

I am not a blind Hawk who thinks The USA should be engaged in regime change every time someone comes to power somewhere in the world we don't like. 

We have already seen how the "Central American Collective" has been organized by enemies both foreign and domestic to impact our Republic's stability,

and provide cover for islamic terrorist infiltration into the Western Hemisphere. 

We now have our revealed  Demanists (or is it Commucrats?)  Congress members  imagining that there are no borders, and the MSM is keeping a straight face. 

 

Just because we are flush with fossil fuels right now under President Trump, it would not be difficult to stop drilling in Anwar,  stop the pipelines again,

and destroy the natural gas industry by denying permits for fracking. It's very important Venezuela does not remain Communists, or be hanging out with the other

"cool Commie kids" that Sanders and AOC and the rest of the Dems seem to love so much.  besides, one of the best ways to keep the peace is to have good trade relationships with as many countries as possible, which is impossible with the current dictator in Venezuela. I think we could get the job done with few Americans in harm's way, and for not a lot of money.  It does not have to be tomorrow, but soon. If  Maduro (sp?)  keeps building relationships with Eastern Hemisphere commies, terrorists, and Russia's proxy State, Cuba, IMHO we are going to regret it sooner rather than later.  

 

[Chris645]

No, no and, uh, NO!  They let their government be taken over by a dictator, so it's their mess to clean up.  Let'em sort it out themselves.  All our country needs is to be accused of "regime change" and overstepping our authority.

[Retcop]

7 minutes ago, Chris645 said:

No, no and, uh, NO!  They let their government be taken over by a dictator, so it's their mess to clean up.  Let'em sort it out themselves.  All our country needs is to be accused of "regime change" and overstepping our authority.

 

7 minutes ago, Chris645 said:

 

 

I am pretty sure the "election" was a fraud, I'll try and find a link.

I gotta go.

[Chris645]

It was, indeed, a fraud......................but the people allowed the Left to destroy their country "one bite at a time".....................just as we are in our country.  When  good men stand by and do nothing to save their country from destruction, they get exactly what they didn't fight for.  When the Demorats have re-written all the rules and laws which will make it impossible for any Conservative to ever win an election...........when the Demorats re-write the laws that will forever allow unlimited trespassing on our soil by illegal immigrants.............when the Demorats have re-written all the laws that defend defenseless babies, both in and out of the womb................when the Demorats have re-written all the laws making it impossible to purchase or own a firearm and We The People are left with shocked looks on our faces, I can only say we will deserve what we've gotten...................deserve it because all most do is talk about it but never show up to fight for it.  Makes me think about how different our lives would be today if the Patriots who rose up and fought with General Washington had, instead, sat at home in front of the fire and complained about "how terrible things are" and that "it's just now right, what is happening". 

 

So, should our President take our soldiers and place them in another war outside our country to do for the countrymen what they should have done for themselves?  No, no and, uh, ABSOLUTELY F'N NOT!!!!!

 

Now, excuse me while I step down from my soap box and go down the street.  Sorry for the rant.

Edited February 28, 2019 by Chris645

[gshayd]

6 hours ago, Retcop said:

 

What he is selling is a communist dictatorship, and relationships with other communist countries

that could threaten our National Security.   Chinese, Russian, North Korean, Cuban, or Iranian nuke missiles in 

Venezuela, anyone  ?  Given the radicalization of our own Left, it is very much in our interest to keep Communism

or its precursor in whatever incarnation it happens to be flowering.  

 

I am not a blind Hawk who thinks The USA should be engaged in regime change every time someone comes to power somewhere in the world we don't like. 

We have already seen how the "Central American Collective" has been organized by enemies both foreign and domestic to impact our Republic's stability,

and provide cover for islamic terrorist infiltration into the Western Hemisphere. 

We now have our revealed  Demanists (or is it Commucrats?)  Congress members  imagining that there are no borders, and the MSM is keeping a straight face. 

 

Just because we are flush with fossil fuels right now under President Trump, it would not be difficult to stop drilling in Anwar,  stop the pipelines again,

and destroy the natural gas industry by denying permits for fracking. It's very important Venezuela does not remain Communists, or be hanging out with the other

"cool Commie kids" that Sanders and AOC and the rest of the Dems seem to love so much.  besides, one of the best ways to keep the peace is to have good trade relationships with as many countries as possible, which is impossible with the current dictator in Venezuela. I think we could get the job done with few Americans in harm's way, and for not a lot of money.  It does not have to be tomorrow, but soon. If  Maduro (sp?)  keeps building relationships with Eastern Hemisphere commies, terrorists, and Russia's proxy State, Cuba, IMHO we are going to regret it sooner rather than later.  

 

The Russian or Chinese Contingent wouldn't last an hour if we were threatened. That could be taken care of without going to war in Venezuela.

[Retcop]

I never advocated a full scale war with Venezualaa.

As I said, having our spooks arm the starving people and/or some drone and air coverage would

probably have the Army tearing off their uniforms and heading for home.

I think it's worth a shot. 

 

We could bring it to the UN, and get a couple of troops in 5 years. 

Or we could just protect the people bring food to starving people.

 

I don't know about you, but I don't think we can let things like this slide over and over, 

before we start getting the same view as Custer.  Not in my Hemisphere.   

[gshayd]

The UN security council would veto any action against Venezuala. Depends on the U.N. Troops. Some of them are worse than Maduro. There are enough Counties in South America that need to step up and clean up Venezuela. Not a job for the U.S. or the U.N.

[Guest]

John, I understand the need to keep the communist element at bay, but I also know that neither China nor Russia (let alone Cuba) can't afford to prop up a country in turmoil to get a foothold where communism has already failed.

It really is a self curing manifestation. Without an influx of money from capitalist countries it can't sustain itself for long. The best avenue to defeating the spread is an ironclad pact among capitalist societies to ban trade with all emerging communist regimes while we wait for the transformation of the existing ones (like what we're seeing happen in China & Cuba).

[tommag]

I tend to agree with Retcop.  In my simplistic thinking,  these folks haven't had a few generations pass to where they can't see the wonderful changes communism has brought. Small arms alone would appear to be innefective against a well equipped army, but if 1/3 the population were equipped with small arms, I would imagine a large part of the military would be encouraged to swap sides, especially since a lot of their family members are suffering. 

As far as the no national interests is concerned,  being encircled with Russian/Chinese bases sounds like a threat to us. 

[Pepper]

Hard no.

 

We have no reason to be the world's police force. If they go down in flames and are the socialist armpit of South America, so be it. It will be the shining example of why socialism doesn't work. Again. Even propped up with oil money, it doesn't work. The people of Venezuela are able to govern themselves. This is what they want, so let them have it. And if they didn't want it, then they shouldn't have allowed it to go down that road.