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So the end of the world is here and people are looting and killing to survive. We all pretend to be the biggest badass around, but in reality, avoiding any and all conflict is the best idea. 

 

As the population shrinks, your 500 acre compound could easily go unseen by people traveling through the area. The closer you are to fresh water might actually work against you. 

 

Back to the hunting question. Are you planning to hunt with a rifle? Anyone looking to loot or take advantage of you is much more likely to follow the sound of a rifle than a bow or trap. 

 

Even a one shot, one kill moment means someone's going to spend more time looking for who made that shot, even if its location can't immediately be determined. 

 

What say you? 

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My suppressed .22 is my friend in that situation. 

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Look at Venezuela if you plan to hunt your way to feeding yourself during TEOTWAWKI.

 

Simply put, as huge a success as the American conservation movement was, it would only take a short time to reverse it all with unrestricted hunting.

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hunting would not be my first choice as it is just not the most productive thing to do with time or energy.  Trapping, fishing and such is going to be much more productive.

 

Down south lets say I get even a small deer.  It’s not like I am going to be able to drop it off at the processor.  So now depending on what time I year it is most of that meat is going to go to waste.  Think of the energy involved and maybe more importantly the evidence of my existence it leaves behind.  It’s too humid to dry the meat in the sun so I am going to have to cook it in some fashion and turn it all into jerky after the first and maybe second meal.  Plus for venison while you may stumble by one it is mostly going to be active hunting.  Trapping with snares, squirrel poles and the such is passive.  I can set out several and check them in a few hours while I conserve energy or do something more constructive.  Same thing with fishing using limb lines and such.  Fishing has an added advantage that most fresh water fish can, if need be, eaten raw with no energy wasted on cooking.  Reptiles such as frogs, snakes and lizards the same.  Now the occasional pop of something like a 22LR at a tree rat or rabbit will indeed raise attention that caliber is easily enough disguised or muffled.  

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MeatEater podcast had a couple quick blurps on this. The American conservation model has kept our wildlife population where it is. Unrestricted hunting in the late 1800s led to devestated populations and would be the case if there weren't controls in place like during a boogaloo

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On 12/26/2019 at 8:42 AM, meh77gmc said:

My suppressed .22 is my friend in that situation. 

 

I got that covered too!

 

Except on the receiving end. I can't seem to reduce that "thwack!" sound! Ha!

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I didn't consider excess hunting as a concern. I pictured my scenario more like a disease or plague which wipes out most of the human population, which would obviously eliminate a lot of hunting and gathering.

 

The majority of the population isn't prepared to live off the land. Trophy hunters would be gone. Preppers would be more conservative with supplies and ammo. 

 

I still think the wildlife population would grow as the human population shrinks. 

 

As redbaron stated, traps and snares would be better. 

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I've talked to the old men where I grew up about the great depression. A deer was a great score as they were very scarce. Back then, they felt blessed to get a marmot. Because of these talks, I've eaten many critters deemed unfit for human consumption. Not that I needed to, just because I wanted to see what it's like. Gophers are ok, robins are not bad at all. Hoary marmots are actually pretty good. Frog legs are very good, but tough to skin. I've eaten carp and suckers, mushy and bony, but better than nothing. 

We had a lot of asparagus near the river, yummy, but it's seasonal. I've heard of people eating stinging nettles,  but couldn't work up the courage to do that.

Cattail roots are ok, but very bland.

If the shtf, I think trapping would be much more productive than hunting.

 

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On 12/26/2019 at 10:54 AM, redbarron06 said:

hunting would not be my first choice as it is just not the most productive thing to do with time or energy.  Trapping, fishing and such is going to be much more productive.

 

Down south lets say I get even a small deer.  It’s not like I am going to be able to drop it off at the processor.  So now depending on what time I year it is most of that meat is going to go to waste.  Think of the energy involved and maybe more importantly the evidence of my existence it leaves behind.  It’s too humid to dry the meat in the sun so I am going to have to cook it in some fashion and turn it all into jerky after the first and maybe second meal.  Plus for venison while you may stumble by one it is mostly going to be active hunting.  Trapping with snares, squirrel poles and the such is passive.  I can set out several and check them in a few hours while I conserve energy or do something more constructive.  Same thing with fishing using limb lines and such.  Fishing has an added advantage that most fresh water fish can, if need be, eaten raw with no energy wasted on cooking.  Reptiles such as frogs, snakes and lizards the same.  Now the occasional pop of something like a 22LR at a tree rat or rabbit will indeed raise attention that caliber is easily enough disguised or muffled.  

 

You could always jerk the meat.  I have a large bag of non iodized salt in my larder.

If things are bad, that protein is going to be a boost, and I would be looking to use every part,

like getting the marrow out of the large bones. 

 

If it's really hot, I would look to sharing it with my favored community family. 

If you guys have already picked each other out, it goes without saying he will share when he gets the chance. 

 

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I would have to agree with tommag . My grandfather lived during the Great Depression .
He said there was no deer to hunt when he was a kid.It was just a few rabbits and squirrels and the like. Ohio was hit hard during the Depression. My grandfather said that he didn’t see a whitetail until he had his own children.
My dad was 8- 9 years old . It wasn’t until the early 70s that Ohio had a deer season. Then only a select few got to hunt. In the 80s the Whitetail heard started really getting healthy. In 1985 is when I started hunting . Even then a deer hunter was only allowed 1 deer a season.
I don’t know how long it took to wipe out Ohio’s deer heard . I know it took almost 50 or more years to gain it back. If uncontrolled hunting were to happen now. It would take a year to totally wipe out Ohio’s deer heard. With today weapons and equipment. Almost everyone with a gun will be out killing everything they see to feed their family. In Ohio the whitetail would be the main prize.
I don’t think I would base survival on hunting.
Unless it was the wright time of year and I had a quick way of taking care of the meat.
By the way I’m to the forum .


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On 7/22/2020 at 3:43 PM, 46camper said:

I would have to agree with tommag . My grandfather lived during the Great Depression .
He said there was no deer to hunt when he was a kid.It was just a few rabbits and squirrels and the like. Ohio was hit hard during the Depression. My grandfather said that he didn’t see a whitetail until he had his own children.
My dad was 8- 9 years old . It wasn’t until the early 70s that Ohio had a deer season. Then only a select few got to hunt. In the 80s the Whitetail heard started really getting healthy. In 1985 is when I started hunting . Even then a deer hunter was only allowed 1 deer a season.
I don’t know how long it took to wipe out Ohio’s deer heard . I know it took almost 50 or more years to gain it back. If uncontrolled hunting were to happen now. It would take a year to totally wipe out Ohio’s deer heard. With today weapons and equipment. Almost everyone with a gun will be out killing everything they see to feed their family. In Ohio the whitetail would be the main prize.
I don’t think I would base survival on hunting.
Unless it was the wright time of year and I had a quick way of taking care of the meat.
By the way I’m to the forum .emoji4.png


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Sorry I missed this until now. Welcome to the forum, 46camper!

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I live in a tiny town with good neighbors.  We will look after eachother.

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