B17 crash in Dallas due to mid air collision

[Rampy]

2 hours ago, BushXM15 said:

 

 

I openly admit and owe You and Rampy an apology . So Lon , Rampy I sincerely apologize 

 

I've Never heard outside Military jargon  the term Airboss . In 55 years of flying  you would have expected ME to run across that term somewhere ,especially given where I learned to fly . As I flew 35 years out of  CRQ which is surrounded by  MCAS Miramar  SAN and MCASCP   along with a whole slew of smaller airports .

 

For the record  I know the persons as FOO or AOO  which are credentialed , Flight operations officer ,Airfield Operation officer  respectively . I've been to numerous airshows as well as Reno air races  over nearly 45 years and NEVER once heard anyone referred too as airboss . I Never actually have flown  in an air show but have flown into them prior and after the airshow

 

However  airboss is an UN-credentialed position not pertaining to any FAA regulation or operation .

 

According to Dallas News  they referred to that ground person ( airboss )  as the show promoter . channel 10 CBS Dallas as well as there ABC affiliate as I read their transcripts from the reporters   .

 

So the Pilot of the P-63 is still at fault  and that WON'T change no matter What or WHO said what . The pilot is ALWAYS responsible for his aircraft and regardless of commands from the ground ,even ATC  ultimately fall back onto the pilot for his or her actions . In controlled or uncontrolled airspace .

 

 This is the Best video and commentary on the crash 

 

no harm no foul 

[HAZMAT]

Well the good ol' days may not return. And the rocks may melt and the sea may burn.

 

I'm learning to fly but I ain't got wings. Coming down is the hardest thing................Tom Petty

 

 

 

Matt

[BushXM15]

On 11/25/2022 at 11:48 AM, HAZMAT said:

Well the good ol' days may not return. And the rocks may melt and the sea may burn.

 

I'm learning to fly but I ain't got wings. Coming down is the hardest thing................Tom Petty

 

 

 

Matt

 

The most difficult thing is discerning  aka understanding ATC in a congested controlled airspace . 

LimaTango advise climb 6500  maintain heading  310 ;  outbound JAL 4 nautical  incoming on heading and it never ends .

FYI : Operating the plane is a piece of cake ,  second nature like driving a vehicle  only in a three dimensional context .

MAJOR concerns ;  Fire  ,Fuel , maintaining  altitude for glide slope ratio  just in case  . All the while watching out for cross town traffic and those Monster Semi's  , which flash like star burst against a matt blue background .

In reality 97% of private pilots  are Never in the same vicinity as 20-26K ft, separate them from the Monsters .

High performance pilots NOT the case  maybe 5-15K ft. or same altitude depending on destination .

When you do notice them is upon arrival or departure . Leaving the runway at 160+knots or slicing through the sky at 525 Kts . .  Did I mention turbulence ?, landing and departure OH My can they ever disrupt air flow .

However as with driving ,it all depends upon Country or City  and traffic conditions  .

Coming down is the EASIEST thing ,the very most important thing  is ; Setting down without incident regardless where that might be .

 

Private pilot's licenses come in several flavors  with endorsements high performance high altitude and complexity of aircraft . Single ,multi engine, commercial , then you're up into the Semi's  as hopefully an  Airline transport pilot  .

 

Ole Bush's Ticket expires in January  .  PPC Multi, HP ,HA,C  So I could fly My   Lancair . That now being sold I've no longer any need for it.  So as of January 12 Th. 2023 , MY  Logs close with #55 years

[olfart]

Yes, in close proximity to airports can be hairy... "Bonanza 1GA, keep your speed up. I have a DC9 on short final behind you."  This while I was working on my instrument rating 53 years ago.

[Retcop]

10 hours ago, BushXM15 said:

 

The most difficult thing is discerning  aka understanding ATC in a congested controlled airspace . 

LimaTango advise climb 6500  maintain heading  310 ;  outbound JAL 4 nautical  incoming on heading and it never ends .

FYI : Operating the plane is a piece of cake ,  second nature like driving a vehicle  only in a three dimensional context .

MAJOR concerns ;  Fire  ,Fuel , maintaining  altitude for glide slope ratio  just in case  . All the while watching out for cross town traffic and those Monster Semi's  , which flash like star burst against a matt blue background .

In reality 97% of private pilots  are Never in the same vicinity as 20-26K ft, separate them from the Monsters .

High performance pilots NOT the case  maybe 5-15K ft. or same altitude depending on destination .

When you do notice them is upon arrival or departure . Leaving the runway at 160+knots or slicing through the sky at 525 Kts . .  Did I mention turbulence ?, landing and departure OH My can they ever disrupt air flow .

However as with driving ,it all depends upon Country or City  and traffic conditions  .

Coming down is the EASIEST thing ,the very most important thing  is ; Setting down without incident regardless where that might be .

 

Private pilot's licenses come in several flavors  with endorsements high performance high altitude and complexity of aircraft . Single ,multi engine, commercial , then you're up into the Semi's  as hopefully an  Airline transport pilot  .

 

Ole Bush's Ticket expires in January  .  PPC Multi, HP ,HA,C  So I could fly My   Lancair . That now being sold I've no longer any need for it.  So as of January 12 Th. 2023 , MY  Logs close with #55 years

 

Remind us on the 12 Jan 23, if you wish, provide a time,

and we shall drink a toast.

Having the logbook aflame at the time of the toast, is,

of course, totally at your discretion. 

 

John

[BushXM15]

On 11/26/2022 at 3:35 AM, Retcop said:

 

Remind us on the 12 Jan 23, if you wish, provide a time,

and we shall drink a toast.

Having the logbook aflame at the time of the toast, is,

of course, totally at your discretion. 

 

John

 

Doubt I'd burn the logs but a toast  ABSOLUTELY I'm gonna frame them along with several plane and flight photos .

The one thing I'm most upset about and can't forgive , is MY stupidity pertaining to losing a hard drive and perhaps #35 years of photos !. Now some I'll absolutely be able to recover  from 35mm slides ,however over half MY electronic photos are HISTORY and CAN'T be recovered or duplicated and ONLY have myself to blame .

What's unforgivable in MY case ,I was backing them up but DIDN'T place them on a thumb drive or disc before I started . Then there's all those photos your friends took  ,like  holding your license for a photo opt and going under the hood for IFR   , Friends  work colleagues projects ( of what little I could show ) all GONE

 

Yet thankful for MANY MANY things  Like , MY Wife ,MY Health , Friends ,opportunities , employment ,experiences and thus far surviving LIFE .  ALL of us know too well the fate others have met !!. So Bush isn't b itching to loudly    

[ewallover]

On 11/25/2022 at 6:35 PM, BushXM15 said:

 

The most difficult thing is discerning  aka understanding ATC in a congested controlled airspace . 

LimaTango advise climb 6500  maintain heading  310 ;  outbound JAL 4 nautical  incoming on heading and it never ends .

FYI : Operating the plane is a piece of cake ,  second nature like driving a vehicle  only in a three dimensional context .

MAJOR concerns ;  Fire  ,Fuel , maintaining  altitude for glide slope ratio  just in case  . All the while watching out for cross town traffic and those Monster Semi's  , which flash like star burst against a matt blue background .

In reality 97% of private pilots  are Never in the same vicinity as 20-26K ft, separate them from the Monsters .

High performance pilots NOT the case  maybe 5-15K ft. or same altitude depending on destination .

When you do notice them is upon arrival or departure . Leaving the runway at 160+knots or slicing through the sky at 525 Kts . .  Did I mention turbulence ?, landing and departure OH My can they ever disrupt air flow .

However as with driving ,it all depends upon Country or City  and traffic conditions  .

Coming down is the EASIEST thing ,the very most important thing  is ; Setting down without incident regardless where that might be .

 

Private pilot's licenses come in several flavors  with endorsements high performance high altitude and complexity of aircraft . Single ,multi engine, commercial , then you're up into the Semi's  as hopefully an  Airline transport pilot  .

 

Ole Bush's Ticket expires in January  .  PPC Multi, HP ,HA,C  So I could fly My   Lancair . That now being sold I've no longer any need for it.  So as of January 12 Th. 2023 , MY  Logs close with #55 years

Congrats on an incredible flying history.  Sorry to hear all those images are no longer available to you.  Maybe your close friends can fill in a few of the holes.  It’s worth the ask…

[BushXM15]

On 11/27/2022 at 6:25 AM, ewallover said:

Congrats on an incredible flying history.  Sorry to hear all those images are no longer available to you.  Maybe your close friends can fill in a few of the holes.  It’s worth the ask…

 

T :

IF only I could ,sadly many have passed on . However those that haven't ,have indeed sent copies of what they kept or had . Unfortunately it's not the same nor extent of what I had taken . Work photos were near a death penalty ,as we ALL were severely restricted working inside the bubble . Special project occasions  and limited approved  photos were and are precious . Unfortunately being as such , much of it doesn't exist !!.

 

I'm the Knothead  with 22K 35mm slides dating back into late 50's . My Uncle who worked for the Navy and held #22 co- patents  on radar development ,was Big into photography and got ME started early on .

Used to say ; K some day you'll be very thankful you recorded a little history and have memories as you look upon those photos . Now whether there Good or Bad memories depends upon your subject matter  and how proficient a photographer you become . So remember limit those Girlie photos ,because NO matter what they looked like then ,they WON"T ever look like that again and they simply remind you of your age . The Older you become you'll understand that .

 

I had No real concept of what he was saying back then but sure do NOW