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We are allowed to protect ourselves and even kill with vilence as needed.

 

But torture for the sake of our own pleasure is nowhere in the Bible.

 

Either kill the enemy or don't, but if you must kill him make it as quick as possible for the resecpt of the life that God created.

 

 

And Christianity gets preached EVERY day, not just 1 hour on Sundays.

 

So you wouldn't torture some one for any reason?

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another scripture reference is "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" :wink:

 

You are right it is in there, but you need to finish the reference:

 

38"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'

39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

40"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.

41"Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.

42"Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

43"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'

44"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

46"For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

47"If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

48"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

 

These are the words of Christ himself.

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So you wouldn't torture some one for any reason?

 

To get info that mighht save lives? SURE!

 

For revenge and just cause I am angry and want to make them suffer because I think that will somehow make me feel beter?

 

Heck no, that would make me as evil as them, and that is the LAST thing I want to be.

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I will also say this. Don't get me wrong, when I sit and think about pictures like this and see videos like the Daniel Pearl beheading, I get furiously mad about it. That is perfectly human and God does not fault us for that. But then I read the words of Christ and I realize that there is a bigger picture and stuff like this is petty compared to the eternal picture. I am not perfect and never will be until we are in heaven, but one should at least try to follow the word.

 

*edit* Back to finishing the lawn =) I'll be back in a few.

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I probably should have kept my mouth shut but.. (these are my famous last words after this thread gets closed down) :ohmy:

 

THIS IS WAR.

 

The Bible is filled with battles, many of which God himself ordained.

 

We are only protecting OURSELVES by going against those who MURDER US.

 

We did not start this Islamic Fundimentalist War. But I hope to God we can end it with all of our lives still intact. All they want to do is murder us, this is their one major goal in life.

 

If we don't stop them, who will? I am not speaking of revenge, I am speaking of STOPPING this Force that wants to MURDER ALL INFIDELS...who ever THEY think is one.

 

USA's major goal in life is to let all people live in peace and freedom. This is our wish for the world. When someone goes against this, it is up to us to be the ones to stop the Murder of the Innocents.

 

I am going to shut my mouth now before I put my foot in it.

 

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I probably should have kept my mouth shut but.. (these are my famous last words after this thread gets closed down) :ohmy:

 

THIS IS WAR.

 

The Bible is filled with battles, many of which God himself ordained.

 

We are only protecting OURSELVES by going against those who MURDER US.

 

We did not start this Islamic Fundimentalist War. But I hope to God we can end it with all of our lives still intact. All they want to do is murder us, this is their one major goal in life.

 

If we don't stop them, who will? I am not speaking of revenge, I am speaking of STOPPING this Force that wants to MURDER ALL INFIDELS...who ever THEY think is one.

 

USA's major goal in life is to let all people live in peace and freedom. This is our wish for the world. When someone goes against this, it is up to us to be the ones to stop the Murder of the Innocents.

 

I am going to shut my mouth now before I put my foot in it.

 

 

That is how God worked in the Old Testament, but he does not work that way any longer. When Christ came to earth, everything changed and we are now under grace. This is the New Covenant of God to man (all men) and the Old Covenant (to men God selected) has been fulfilled (his promises to the Jews).

 

The idea of all out war against anyone that opposes America is not one that I can find in the Bible.

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I probably should have kept my mouth shut but.. (these are my famous last words after this thread gets closed down) :ohmy:

 

THIS IS WAR.

 

The Bible is filled with battles, many of which God himself ordained.

 

We are only protecting OURSELVES by going against those who MURDER US.

 

We did not start this Islamic Fundimentalist War. But I hope to God we can end it with all of our lives still intact. All they want to do is murder us, this is their one major goal in life.

 

If we don't stop them, who will? I am not speaking of revenge, I am speaking of STOPPING this Force that wants to MURDER ALL INFIDELS...who ever THEY think is one.

 

USA's major goal in life is to let all people live in peace and freedom. This is our wish for the world. When someone goes against this, it is up to us to be the ones to stop the Murder of the Innocents.

 

I am going to shut my mouth now before I put my foot in it.

 

Hotshot you are right on there. If they want to end what we are or die trying, I say we help them die trying. Gloves off no shat war just like they are doing to us.

 

That is how God worked in the Old Testament, but he does not work that way any longer. When Christ came to earth, everything changed and we are now under grace. This is the New Covenant of God to man (all men) and the Old Covenant (to men God selected) has been fulfilled (his promises to the Jews).

 

The idea of all out war against anyone that opposes America is not one that I can find in the Bible.

And the whole thing changed with the coming of the anti-christ, at this point I think his name was mohammed. Unfortunately he is no longer around to say "No, this is not what I meant stop it" if he was so inclined. If he wasn't so inclined he should have been fed to the pigs. His followers and not all of them mind you, just the ones that feel it is part of their religion to kill everyone else that doesn't share their religion should also be fed to the pigs. If the non extreme elements of their religion aren't going to do it someone else should and if a few of the non extreme types get dead in the process oh well. When will it become apparent to everyone that they are fighting the final battle as they see it and we are just acting like it is a passing thing.

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As to the OP this kind of thing is being done as mental warfare. Scare the bejeezus out of the enemy and they wont want to fight. I say turn the tables on them. Let them know there will be no quarter given. Pick a fight with us and you lose! :flea: :flea: :flea:

 

 

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The sheep will never wake up. How many ppl saw the video of the poor guy getting his head sawed off not to mention the above pics and countless other stories. They are too busy watching oprah and who gets the kids this week with britney spears...

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It makes me sick that there is even a debate over whether we should torture our enemies who want us dead. The debate should be whether we should turn their country into a piece of radioactive glass or a piece of non-radioactive glass.

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