Study: Fast morphine treatment may prevent PTSD

[cc2001]

Quickly giving morphine to wounded troops cuts in half the chance they will develop post-traumatic stress disorder, according to a provocative study that suggests a new strategy for preventing the psychological fallout of war.

 

 

 

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100113/ap_on_...preventing_ptsd

Edited February 11, 2011 by cc2001

[Rampy]

Wonder how using morphine works on those who have not been wounded/injured but have seen lots of shat and have PTSD from what they have seen/done.....

 

Now I do see using pain killers as a wicked important measure on a injured troop, but morphine suppresses your respiratory system & they just can't afford to have another troop bag you in a combat environment when your gun might make the difference. But their will be times it's best to apply heavy dosages of morphine and knock you out.....

 

Fenital is also in use by the military and a good fenital lollypop does work wonders while still keeping you in the fight....

[cc2001]

Wonder how using morphine works on those who have not been wounded/injured but have seen lots of shat and have PTSD from what they have seen/done.....

 

Now I do see using pain killers as a wicked important measure on a injured troop, but morphine suppresses your respiratory system & they just can't afford to have another troop bag you in a combat environment when your gun might make the difference. But their will be times it's best to apply heavy dosages of morphine and knock you out.....

 

Fenital is also in use by the military and a good fenital lollypop does work wonders while still keeping you in the fight....

 

I didn't know about the respiratory system thing. My only experience with morphine was in a very controlled environment of a hospital repairing my knee. That knee being one of the reasons I wasn't able to serve and recruiters wouldn't return my calls. Never heard of fenital or anything administered as a lollipop, I'm going to have to look it up.

 

ETA:

Fentanyl — brand names include Actiq, Duragesic, Fentora, Onsolis[2], Sublimaze[3] and Instanyl[4] — is a synthetic primary μ-opioid agonist commonly used to treat chronic breakthrough pain and is commonly used in pre-procedures. It is approximately 100 times more potent than morphine,[5] with 100 micrograms of fentanyl approximately equivalent to 10 mg of morphine and 75 mg of pethidine (meperidine) in analgesic activity.

 

Fentanyl Lollipop

Edited January 14, 2010 by cc2001

[Rampy]

I didn't know about the respiratory system thing. My only experience with morphine was in a very controlled environment of a hospital repairing my knee. That knee being one of the reasons I wasn't able to serve and recruiters wouldn't return my calls. Never heard of fenital or anything administered as a lollypop, I'm going to have to look it up.

 

It's actually quite cool, ya give the person the fenital lollypop and they suck on it as needed for pain control, it's administered in micrograms instead of milligrams if I remember right plus it's got a shorter 1/2 life than morphine & as such wears off faster.

 

I've never had morphine or fenital, just seen it administered & one guy went into respiratory arrest and then into full blown cardiac arrest from a morphine OD. Narcan is a wonderful tool to reverse a opiate overdose, just watch the dopehead come up swinging after ya destroy his high.... :laugh:

[AbogadosdeAccidentesAhora]

Great but It's actually quite cool, ya give the person the fenital lollypop and they suck on it as needed for pain control, it's administered in micrograms instead of milligrams if I remember right plus it's got a shorter 1/2 life than morphine & as such wears off faster.

[daniellemill]

In our country, a huge number of people die from gun! And it's just awful! Many presidents have changed and no one has made any amendments to the law on limiting the use of gun!

[Retcop]

On 1/14/2010 at 3:42 PM, Rampy said:

 

It's actually quite cool, ya give the person the fenital lollypop and they suck on it as needed for pain control, it's administered in micrograms instead of milligrams if I remember right plus it's got a shorter 1/2 life than morphine & as such wears off faster.

 

I've never had morphine or fenital, just seen it administered & one guy went into respiratory arrest and then into full blown cardiac arrest from a morphine OD. Narcan is a wonderful tool to reverse a opiate overdose, just watch the dopehead come up swinging after ya destroy his high....

 

Most Docs will no longer prescribe fentanyl lollypops for intractable pain.

People who have this condition often have their blood pressure rise to levels most people would not believe.

As you know the choices are to wait for the stroke, or go to the ER, where they automatically label you as drug seeking.  The U.S. Government invading our doctor's offices is one of the most severe examples of the attack of individual liberty in the last decade or so.  The politicians, who needed to appear as if they were doing something about opiate overdoses, and the trillion(s) or so wasted on the "war on drugs" put forth the Big Lie that anyone who was prescribed pain medication would end up as a drooling snot-nosed IV heroin addict after just a few weeks taking their medication exactly as it was prescribed. With the help of the "if it bleeds it leads" Media they convinced a whole lot of Americans it was the truth. 

 

The government did a good job of invading the doctor/patient relationships so they are better prepared for 100% strict monitoring when the single payer (government/taxpayer) Universal Healthcare hammer finally falls. The ,gov required additional paperwork from the docs, but that was not the only problem in getting people the care they needed. The Feds were leaning heavily on the Docs that they would be losing their licenses if the prescribed an effective course of pain medication. The fear was palpable. When the best acute Rehabilitation Center in my region got the new Federal guidelines on prescribing pain medication, they decided the only safe thing for them to do was to stop their doctors from prescribing any narcotic pain medication. My understanding was that the guidelines were so severe, these expert docs believed they fell below therapeutic levels for those with severe intractable pain. It was simply not worth the risk for them to prescribe any medication when the chance of government persecution was so high, while the guidelines were of no use to most of their severely injured patients. 

Liability overrode good medical practice. Just another example of why nothing will change unless we drastically reduce the size and scope of the Federal government. 

 

[TomJefferson]

4 hours ago, Retcop said:

 

Most Docs will no longer prescribe fentanyl lollypops for intractable pain.

People who have this condition often have their blood pressure rise to levels most people would not believe.

As you know the choices are to wait for the stroke, or go to the ER, where they automatically label you as drug seeking.  The U.S. Government invading our doctor's offices is one of the most severe examples of the attack of individual liberty in the last decade or so.  The politicians, who needed to appear as if they were doing something about opiate overdoses, and the trillion(s) or so wasted on the "war on drugs" put forth the Big Lie that anyone who was prescribed pain medication would end up as a drooling snot-nosed IV heroin addict after just a few weeks taking their medication exactly as it was prescribed. With the help of the "if it bleeds it leads" Media they convinced a whole lot of Americans it was the truth. 

 

The government did a good job of invading the doctor/patient relationships so they are better prepared for 100% strict monitoring when the single payer (government/taxpayer) Universal Healthcare hammer finally falls. The ,gov required additional paperwork from the docs, but that was not the only problem in getting people the care they needed. The Feds were leaning heavily on the Docs that they would be losing their licenses if the prescribed an effective course of pain medication. The fear was palpable. When the best acute Rehabilitation Center in my region got the new Federal guidelines on prescribing pain medication, they decided the only safe thing for them to do was to stop their doctors from prescribing any narcotic pain medication. My understanding was that the guidelines were so severe, these expert docs believed they fell below therapeutic levels for those with severe intractable pain. It was simply not worth the risk for them to prescribe any medication when the chance of government persecution was so high, while the guidelines were of no use to most of their severely injured patients. 

Liability overrode good medical practice. Just another example of why nothing will change unless we drastically reduce the size and scope of the Federal government. 

 

Yep, we've become a nation of allowing our productive members to wither in pain in the name of saving druggies from themselves while drugs like fentyl and heroin pour over our border by the truck loads. 

 

Anyone who didn't see what's happening coming was a fool.  Duh?  Which you think is better druggies taking prescription drugs with a tight quality control on the dosage or crap who knows how strong or clean it is pouring over the border? 

 

After a lifetime of he war on drugs, what's happening now is insane.  Its like what's the best plan you can think of to make things worse.  Not to worry, they came up with a new plan, de-fund the police. 

 

Now wonder people are questioning which politicians are on the Cartels payroll.

 

Tj

[Rampy]

On 3/26/2022 at 1:43 AM, Retcop said:

 

Most Docs will no longer prescribe fentanyl lollypops for intractable pain.

People who have this condition often have their blood pressure rise to levels most people would not believe.

As you know the choices are to wait for the stroke, or go to the ER, where they automatically label you as drug seeking.  The U.S. Government invading our doctor's offices is one of the most severe examples of the attack of individual liberty in the last decade or so.  The politicians, who needed to appear as if they were doing something about opiate overdoses, and the trillion(s) or so wasted on the "war on drugs" put forth the Big Lie that anyone who was prescribed pain medication would end up as a drooling snot-nosed IV heroin addict after just a few weeks taking their medication exactly as it was prescribed. With the help of the "if it bleeds it leads" Media they convinced a whole lot of Americans it was the truth. 

 

The government did a good job of invading the doctor/patient relationships so they are better prepared for 100% strict monitoring when the single payer (government/taxpayer) Universal Healthcare hammer finally falls. The ,gov required additional paperwork from the docs, but that was not the only problem in getting people the care they needed. The Feds were leaning heavily on the Docs that they would be losing their licenses if the prescribed an effective course of pain medication. The fear was palpable. When the best acute Rehabilitation Center in my region got the new Federal guidelines on prescribing pain medication, they decided the only safe thing for them to do was to stop their doctors from prescribing any narcotic pain medication. My understanding was that the guidelines were so severe, these expert docs believed they fell below therapeutic levels for those with severe intractable pain. It was simply not worth the risk for them to prescribe any medication when the chance of government persecution was so high, while the guidelines were of no use to most of their severely injured patients. 

Liability overrode good medical practice. Just another example of why nothing will change unless we drastically reduce the size and scope of the Federal government. 

 

you quoted a 2010 post

[Rampy]

On 3/25/2022 at 11:50 PM, daniellemill said:

In our country, a huge number of people die from gun! And it's just awful! Many presidents have changed and no one has made any amendments to the law on limiting the use of gun!

troll

[Retcop]

2 hours ago, Rampy said:

you quoted a 2010 post

Imagine that.

12 years later and the problem has not gotten any better.

[MontanaLon]

On 3/26/2022 at 4:31 PM, Retcop said:

Imagine that.

12 years later and the problem has not gotten any better.

Nope, it has gotten worse. 12 years ago if you were terminally ill you would be prescribed drugs in amounts that would ease the pain of slipping from this mortal coil to a minor inconvenience. Now, you get just enough ibuprofen to take the sharp edges off the pain but not so much that it will damage your liver and kidneys. 15 years ago I got hydrocodone for home and morphine in ER for my kidney stone. When it was blasted and the pieces got stuck I could call the doctor's office and get hydrocodone refilled without seeing the doctor. Now, forget it. You will get toradol in the ER at the most and more likely just get told it is OK to take 800 of ibuprofen to get through it. 25 years ago when I broke my back they gave me toradol for the pain and when that injection site hurt more than my back asked for ibuprofen. 

 

It used to be if you went to a doc for pain they would have you look at the little graph of smiley face to crying in pain to describe how you felt. Now, unless you are there with an open fracture of the skull or other bone you won't get a narcotic. Look I get it, narcotics are addicting but the people using prescribed narcotics aren't the ones dying from ODing on fentanyl laced heroine these days. Hell, they aren't even the ones dying of prescription drug overdoses, that would be the junkies that are getting smuggled prescription drugs coming from the same place the fentanyl is coming from.

[Retcop]

28 minutes ago, MontanaLon said:

Nope, it has gotten worse. 12 years ago if you were terminally ill you would be prescribed drugs in amounts that would ease the pain of slipping from this mortal coil to a minor inconvenience. Now, you get just enough ibuprofen to take the sharp edges off the pain but not so much that it will damage your liver and kidneys. 15 years ago I got hydrocodone for home and morphine in ER for my kidney stone. When it was blasted and the pieces got stuck I could call the doctor's office and get hydrocodone refilled without seeing the doctor. Now, forget it. You will get toradol in the ER at the most and more likely just get told it is OK to take 800 of ibuprofen to get through it. 25 years ago when I broke my back they gave me toradol for the pain and when that injection site hurt more than my back asked for ibuprofen. 

 

It used to be if you went to a doc for pain they would have you look at the little graph of smiley face to crying in pain to describe how you felt. Now, unless you are there with an open fracture of the skull or other bone you won't get a narcotic. Look I get it, narcotics are addicting but the people using prescribed narcotics aren't the ones dying from ODing on fentanyl laced heroine these days. Hell, they aren't even the ones dying of prescription drug overdoses, that would be the junkies that are getting smuggled prescription drugs coming from the same place the fentanyl is coming from.

I believe that end of life terminally ill patients should be given pharmalogical heroin, will will not only resolve the majority of the pain without knocking them out for long periods of precious time, but will also impart a period of mild euphoria. This can be a Godsend in such a time. That anyone is concerned these dying folks will become addicted to any type of opiate is absurd.

 

Btw, I don't believe it has gotten worse, but actually a tiny bit better. It is obvious that the pendulum is beginning to swing back slowly, from what I am hearing from the young docs a couple of years out of their residency. 

[Rampy]

On 3/27/2022 at 12:16 AM, MontanaLon said:

Nope, it has gotten worse. 12 years ago if you were terminally ill you would be prescribed drugs in amounts that would ease the pain of slipping from this mortal coil to a minor inconvenience. Now, you get just enough ibuprofen to take the sharp edges off the pain but not so much that it will damage your liver and kidneys. 15 years ago I got hydrocodone for home and morphine in ER for my kidney stone. When it was blasted and the pieces got stuck I could call the doctor's office and get hydrocodone refilled without seeing the doctor. Now, forget it. You will get toradol in the ER at the most and more likely just get told it is OK to take 800 of ibuprofen to get through it. 25 years ago when I broke my back they gave me toradol for the pain and when that injection site hurt more than my back asked for ibuprofen. 

 

It used to be if you went to a doc for pain they would have you look at the little graph of smiley face to crying in pain to describe how you felt. Now, unless you are there with an open fracture of the skull or other bone you won't get a narcotic. Look I get it, narcotics are addicting but the people using prescribed narcotics aren't the ones dying from ODing on fentanyl laced heroine these days. Hell, they aren't even the ones dying of prescription drug overdoses, that would be the junkies that are getting smuggled prescription drugs coming from the same place the fentanyl is coming from.

I got all the pain meds I wanted while in the hospital as well as Ativan 

 

zero restraints if I asked for it I got it no worries, narcotics for days and when in the VA hospital as well as civilian hospitals 

 

Even sent home with lots of pain meds and got more in the mail from the VA to include Ativan 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Rampy

[Retcop]

What thinking gunowner, Veteran or LEO, is going to be evaluated for PTSD ever since the government stated using it as a weapon to deny the right to keep and bear arms. 

 

The government has really screwed the pooch with all the policies in place that will deny gun ownership if a gun owner seeks treatment for any number of MH issues he or she may have concerns about, that should have no legal impact on Second Amendment Rights. 

 

It is like when they started passing all the draconian Domestic Violence Laws with mandatory jail terms and automatic no contact orders and the seizure of firearms. We saw the rate of reporting of Domestic Violence drop like a rock. It made the problem for abused women worse. Before they could call the Police on their husband/partner without fear of all these hysterical reactions. We had the system in place to get these women discretely referred for help through various agencies, and at least we had a report of the incident. many women could or would not put their breadwinner and father of their children in jail. 

 

The government is so good at making problems of all types worse.